Neha wrote:Wow jac, Thank you for your choice selection of words, cowards, dishonest,...only you are right, you are brave, every one elae must be so miserable... I don't suppose anyone has any objection here, seems you all agree on this? Light of the world, salt of the earth, fits you fine, you are Shining examples of the gospel. I am impressed.
Oh PLEASE. As if someone came along and just treated you so
nice and was a pushover and lavished compliments on you and disrespected you enough to not call you out on your errors but instead praised you in your mistakes . . . as if I were to do
that then you would
really see me as a "shining example of the gospel."
Do you not realize how arrogant you are? Your statement here presupposes that
YOU know both the nature of the gospel and the nuances of the definitions of "atheism" and "agnosticism" so well that
YOU are able to examine my own words and find in them such a failure to reflect the truth of those matters that
YOU can declare it hypocritical.
Neha, let me inform you of something. You don't know the gospel as well as we do. You don't know what the word "atheist" means as well as we do. You don't know what the word "agnostic" means as well as we do. You don't know the arguments for God's existence as well as we do. You don't even know the arguments
against His existence as well as we do. We know more than you in every respect on this subject. And you want to come here and tell me that you know this material so much better?
If you think that Christians are supposed to be pushovers, unwilling to challenge in stark language the errors of the day, then you have never read the Bible with any degree of understanding. Jesus referred to those who opposed Him as broods of vipers. He regularly called people hypocrites. He told the Pharisees their father was Satan. Paul referred to the Judaizers as dogs, which was one of the worst insults you could throw at a person in those days. And have you read John's description of the unsaved in Rev. 21:8?
If you want to be respected, be respectful and respectable and hold to respectable positions. Don't come here patronizing us pretending to lecture us and inform us on our faith, as if you understand it better than we do. Be honest for once about what you believe, and be courageous enough to admit your presuppositions that drive your belief. That's what we're doing on this board, every single day. But you want to come along and cast stones safely from the sidelines, refusing to get on the field and actually submit your ideas to public scrutiny? And then when you get called on it, you want to tell me that I'm not being Christian?
As I said, please . . . I'm sorry if your puny little misconception of what Christianity is all about is being challenged by people who
actually understand their faith. But I certainly make offer no condolences for those of us who
do understand what we believe and expect those of you who are going to challenge us to be honest enough to put your cards on the table.
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Byblos wrote:Jac3510 wrote:Their "arguments" against God are little more than
this, since they just comprise of, "NAUH!!1!11!!111" And when we say, "Well on what basis do you say NAUH!" they respond, "IDONTNOISNOTMYJOOOOOOOB2TELUWHATIBELEEVISURSUSTOOPIDTHEIST!!!11!1"
the link was hysterical, Jac.
Seriously though, it is quite boring to have to listen to the new
atheism of 'I don't have to prove anything because I hold no position' or 'reality is relative' or 'truth can't be know'. Really? Is this what it comes down to? Like I said, utterly unsatisfying but hey, to each his pit of hell I guess.
Yes, I've been quite fond of that one for a little while, now.
But to your point, I think that unfortunately, that is what it's come down to. This is, in large part, why the board changed near a decade ago. We used to have "atheists" who roamed freely. Every single thread was exactly like you'd expect. Someone would post mentioning some scientific or philosophical position that either suggested or proved that God exists, and the atheists would come out, guns a-blazin', with their typical "NAUHHH!!!" assertions. Really, it just boiled down to, "But how do you know THAT?" over and over again (in, of course, incredibly long threads couched in language that was supposed to make dem sownd smawt). Looking back, it reminds me of arguing with my four year old. "Elly, got to bed." "I don't want to go to bed, Daddy." "I know, but you need to." "But how Daddy? How I need to go to bed?" " Because you need your rest." "But how Daddy? How I need my rest?" "So you don't get sick and so you aren't mean tomorrow." "But how Daddy? How I don't get sick and be mean?" And on and on.
And they wonder why some of us find them boring . . . and they're surprised and offended when they're called for what they are.
