A question someone asked me.
What makes our bible right?
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WannaLearn
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What makes our bible right?
The Bible? Which Bible? The Protestant Canon has 66 books. The Ethiopian Orthodox Canon 81. There are several versions of the Bible. You happened to pick one, but there are books, epistles and letters left out of yours that appear in others. What is in your bible was decided by somebody back in time that wanted it to say certain things and left out certain others. The King James Bible says what King James and the Church or England wanted it to say. The Wycliff Bible says other things. Your Bible as evidence wasn't compiled for hundreds of years after the death of the central character. There are no original documents and no way to prove that the named authors of the books actually wrote them.
A question someone asked me.
A question someone asked me.
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Re: What makes are bible right?
Well...we do have surviving, older manuscripts though....
So...why not slowly and painstakingly go back through all the older and older copies of said scriptures and work out what is the best translation of the original texts...?
*Scratches head*
That has actually kind of always been my question. Hope it adds nicely to your own WannaLearn.
Much cheers to all.
So...why not slowly and painstakingly go back through all the older and older copies of said scriptures and work out what is the best translation of the original texts...?
*Scratches head*
That has actually kind of always been my question. Hope it adds nicely to your own WannaLearn.
Much cheers to all.
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Re: What makes are bible right?
I hope all those have this in common: "16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
Much cheers to all
Much cheers to all
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-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
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-- Philippians 1:6
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Re: What makes our bible right?
This question is a variant of ''Which translation is correct?'' Stop tripping over the motifs in the carpet! Choose the Bible you are comfortable with and go with that.WannaLearn wrote:The Bible? Which Bible? The Protestant Canon has 66 books. The Ethiopian Orthodox Canon 81.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
That is what im comfortable with, just trying to see and possibly fix others views.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
You've set for yourself an impossible task. God does the fixing in a Christian's life.WannaLearn wrote:That is what im comfortable with... possibly fix others views.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
Wannalearn, this is more brash talk than an actual question by someone to you. Please have a look at "textual criticism" for the bible, you will find it most illuminating for your own self if not for others. We have thousands of manuscripts and have broad agreement on almost all of it. Some small parts are in question but the overwhelming rest of it simply is substantial to respect the fact that what we have today is pretty much what christ had in his day.WannaLearn wrote:The Bible? Which Bible? The Protestant Canon has 66 books. The Ethiopian Orthodox Canon 81. There are several versions of the Bible. You happened to pick one, but there are books, epistles and letters left out of yours that appear in others. What is in your bible was decided by somebody back in time that wanted it to say certain things and left out certain others. The King James Bible says what King James and the Church or England wanted it to say. The Wycliff Bible says other things. Your Bible as evidence wasn't compiled for hundreds of years after the death of the central character. There are no original documents and no way to prove that the named authors of the books actually wrote them.
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the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
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Re: What makes our bible right?
Is that like a book ?
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Re: What makes our bible right?
No. In short its a process of how the biblical texts are analyzed and authenticated. Just google "biblical textual criticism". You will see.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
Personally I think that the RC canon is more complete and that I would add the Epistle of Barnabas too.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
Mr. AmbiguousPaulSacramento wrote:Personally I think that the RC canon is more complete and that I would add the Epistle of Barnabas too.
,For clarity, are you saying the Roman Catholic canon is more complete because it has more books? Or are you saying the Protestant canon is not complete, because it lacks the books in the RC bible? Or something different?
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24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
Why not the gospel of Thomas?PaulSacramento wrote:Personally I think that the RC canon is more complete and that I would add the Epistle of Barnabas too.
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Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
I think that that deutrocanonical books/apocraphical books in the RC canon serve a purpose and they shouldn't have been removed from the Protestant canon.RickD wrote:Mr. AmbiguousPaulSacramento wrote:Personally I think that the RC canon is more complete and that I would add the Epistle of Barnabas too.
For clarity, are you saying the Roman Catholic canon is more complete because it has more books? Or are you saying the Protestant canon is not complete, because it lacks the books in the RC bible? Or something different?
I will also add that I think the writings of the apostolic fathers should also be part of reading BUT not part of the bible canon.
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Re: What makes our bible right?
Because it is gnostic in its teachings.Byblos wrote:Why not the gospel of Thomas?PaulSacramento wrote:Personally I think that the RC canon is more complete and that I would add the Epistle of Barnabas too.
I mention the Epistle of Barnabas because it was part of one of the oldest codex's (Sinaiticus) which means it was at one time viewed a "canon".
I agree that the anti-semitic parts may be contoversial for some, but I think that it is an important letter in terms of historical relevance for the thoughts of those times.
Clement of Alexandria cited it, which places it somewhere between 70 AD and 130 AD ( because of the mention of the temple destruction in the Epistle).
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Re: What makes our bible right?
Just to note, I don't mean that the Epistle should be part of the Canon, but should read along with it, like the apostolic fathers.
Just wanted to clarify that.
Just wanted to clarify that.