Different Views

[UsagiTsukino]

What to do? I mean I believe women can be ministers and in evolution. Does that make me wrong? Can I lose eing saved?

[FlawedIntellect]

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I believe that Neo-X and PaulSacramento (if memory serves me correctly) are Theistic Evolutionists. Also, the matter of believing in Evolution is not a Salvation issue.
(After all, the question regarding Salvation is whether or not one accepts God's gift of Grace, which comes from accepting that Jesus's death on the cross and Resurrection were sufficient to cover the cost[that is, the due consequences] of your sin[that is, your moral offenses against God], and believing that Jesus is God the Son/The Word Incarnate in the flesh [which is a necessary belief because it means that Jesus actually has the right and authority/power to forgive sin through his death and resurrection. Which many other members have explained before.])

Regarding female ministers, well, I'm not really opposed to females involved in ministry and would be more concerned about overall quality of ministry and its adherence to Biblical historic and moral teachings. (Though that's a personal view, mind you.) Also, the matter of preservation of modesty so as to be taken seriously and to not be distracting.

Also, the question of whether or not one can lose Salvation has already been discussed in numerous threads, so feel free to do a search and read up.

The short answer to the question is "No." A slightly longer answer is "No, you cannot lose your salvation."

By the way, in your thread, "Question", this subject was brought up and answered, but then after "soldierofthecross" posted, things probably started to get confusing. (Especially with Furstentum Liechtenstein's sarcastic comments about what is necessary to be saved.)

Your thread that asked the question of losing salvation received lots of sarcastic and joking responses, probably because they've answered the question numerous times before and people keep ignoring the search feature in the top right corner of the screen. By the way, Furstentum Liechtenstein did give a serious answer to your question.

I was wondering is it possible?

The short answer to your question is: No.

FL

This was from your "Can a Christian Lose Their Salvation?" thread.

Also, RickD made one serious response in the same thread:

Sorry I'm new. I hope you guys can forgive me

Nothing to forgive you for Usagi! I'm just teasing.

Here's some discussions:
http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... l+security
http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... l+security

Here's a good one:
http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... l+security

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... l+security

another long but good one:
http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... l+security

There are many more, but these should get you going. Good luck!

And if you have any questions, you can post in those threads.

I hope this helps a little.

[neo-x]

What to do? I mean I believe women can be ministers and in evolution. Does that make me wrong? Can I lose being saved?

Absolutely not. Evolution/creationism is not a matter of eternal life and death, nor salvation and being one in christ.

Women ministers or male ministers, I have a problem with anyone who is not qualified to be one and still is...and respecting women to have office in the church does not make you a cult or anti-gospel and therefore there is nothing to it that may result in you losing your salvation. because the work of the cross is done by christ not you, therefore the guarantee of our salvation lies with christ not with us. Take comfort in that.

[crookedvulture]

Usagi, I think you're a little too bogged down in thinking you're losing salvation with a lot of things that aren't necessarily a deciding factor. Now of course, many do argue against evolution because they don't think it's Biblical, but I've seen many theists make great cases for theistic evolution.

[Jac3510]

As everyone else has said, evolution is not an issue of salvation. I am on the complete opposite end of the creation spectrum (YEC), but I would never say that belief in evolution has any bearing on your salvation. The same is true with women in ministry. Even if you are wrong about that, it doesn't mean you are in any danger of losing your salvation.

What you do need to understand is that the only thing that matters relative to salvation is that you believe the gospel. So long as we agree on that--so long as we both believe the gospel--than any differences in views between us are interfamily squabbles. Some of those squabbles are very serious, for sure, but they are not so serious as to disqualify your salvation.

So that leads to the question as to what the gospel is, of course. That can turn into quite a debate, sadly, and for detailed discussions I refer you to the threads Rick linked to as quoted above. Otherwise, I'll just leave you with a few texts for you to consider: Gen. 15:6; Luke 18:9-14; John 1:12; John 3:16-18; John 5:24; John 6:47; John 11:24-27; John 20:30-31; Acts 16:30-31; Rom. 4:5; Rom 5:1; Rom. 10:9-10; 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 2:16; Eph. 2:8-9 . . .

I could post many, many more (closer to the 100 range than these 15). These aren't even necessarily the best of the bunch. I just thought if you read them you'll find a common theme, a common assertion, in short, the clear, simple gospel. Whether you believe that or not is what matters.

[PaulSacramento]

Our Salvation is base don what Christ and God have done for US, now what we do for them.
Interpretations and POV change with time.
It is clear that the apostles didn't always agree with each other and even disagreed with Jesus at times.
As humans we must accept that WE are imperfect and can and DO get things wrong, even in regards to God and the bible.
The INTENTION behind what we do and believe is, IMO, the crucial element.
WHY do you believe what you believe?