The started of Christianity

[UsagiTsukino]

Christianity started has a section of Judaism and than become a new religion. There is nothings in the bible with Christians

[Gman]

Christianity started has a section of Judaism and than become a new religion. There is nothings in the bible with Christians

Umm. Not exactly.. It was certainly a sect of Judaism and will always be a part of Judaism.. But nothing really new. Maybe renewed but not new.. At least that is what we understand.

[B. W.]

Christianity started has a section of Judaism and than become a new religion. There is nothings in the bible with Christians

Acts11:26 NKJV, "And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch."
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[neo-x]

Christianity started has a section of Judaism and than become a new religion. There is nothings in the bible with Christians

[PeteSinCA]

Christianity started has a section of Judaism and than become a new religion. There is nothings in the bible with Christians

Acts11:26 NKJV, "And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch."

And:

but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name. 1 Peter 4:16, NASB

I know the NASB is a pretty literal translation, but I checked: the Greek word Peter used is christianos. While Acts 11 speaks of Christian as a name coined by non-believers (probably) derisively, 1 Peter 4:16 makes clear what Acts 11:26 implies: the earliest believers in Jesus embraced and identified as "Christian".

It is clear, in multiple books of the New Testament, that the earliest Christians understood themselves to be a fulfillment and extension of Judaism rather than something entirely new. Since then, the understanding of the degree and significance of that "extension" (as I called it) perhaps has varied, but the idea that Christianity is a unique religion unrelated to Judaism has seldom/never been mainstream among Christians (those who had some familiarity with the Bible, at least).

But like neo-x, I do not understand your point in posting this, UT.

[UsagiTsukino]

Please forgive me. The more I started getting into my religion the more I started to understand but with understanding came why do people like these hate Christianity.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/christian.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoGp36SiK1c


So, I wanted to understand the beginning. Even if on one similar to these people will listen to me. I will still be kind to them.



I hope you guys aren't mad.

[PeteSinCA]

Looking over the first article you linked, I could not help thinking that it was a lot of energy devoted to an insignificant purpose. Some of its arguments were also less that impressive:

Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians. Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.

While it was true that, "Christ never called himself a Christian," ignoring the anachronism, why would He? Jesus was/is the Christ, not a follower of the Christ (which is what "Christian" meant - mockingly, when the word was coined - and means).

And, "Christ never used an adjective to describe himself." What is the point in saying this, even if it is true? Believers in Jesus should only describe themselves using nouns? Well, in the English sentence, "I am a Christian," "Christian" is a noun. This argument really makes no sense.

"The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", ... "bondservants" of Christ." All true, but what is the point? I use the terms "believer" and "follower", usually with "in/of Jesus" for clarity. Do I not, similarly, have the freedom in Christ to use the word, "Christian"? Where is this forbidden? Where is the spiritual danger in using that word?

As for the latter part of the article, that tries to explain away 1 Peter 4:16, it tries to make a distinction into a difference, when there really isn't even a distinction. Peter really does refer to believers as "Christians", and in that context, he makes clear that being a Christian is good, something with which one should identify.

As a general question, who or what is Ecclesia.org? Clicking on the "Home" button takes one to a webpage in Cyrillic script; I don't understand Russian or any other Slavic language. Going to Ecclesia.org takes one to a discussion forum much like EfGfS. So, who are they? I'm not trying to make some sort of point, just wanting to understand them.

[UsagiTsukino]

I been wondering why do people think the catholics are going to hell?

[Gman]

I been wondering why do people think the catholics are going to hell?

Don't look at me, I never said that...

[UsagiTsukino]

I wasn't but I notice this alot lately

[Danieltwotwenty]

I been wondering why do people think the catholics are going to hell?

Unfortunately these people are ignorant of Catholic beliefs, we are all Christians and we are all Catholics, it is written into the Nicene Creed which we as Christian affirm as our core important beliefs

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.


Don't listen to these people, they are trying to cause division within the body of Christ.

[UsagiTsukino]

My main thing what of the Pope? I still don't actually get it. I hope i'm not annoying in one.

[Danieltwotwenty]

My main thing what of the Pope? I still don't actually get it. I hope i'm not annoying in one.

To be honest I don't get the pope either, seems like a nice guy and all and loves Christ but the actual position I don't understand the need for it, but I could say the same about any hierarchical structure in any Church.

That being said, the structure does serve a purpose in many ways, like accountability, sound doctrine teaching etc... but unfortunately as are all human constructions is fallible and corruptible.

We have to accept that whatever structure is currently in place now is only temporary until Christs return.

[UsagiTsukino]

but itsn't it wrong to have the Pope it's not stated anywhere in the bible. Also what about purgatory ? I think god only knows a true person heart. So, I guess I shouldn't judge. I mean putting things in unbiblical if they aren't there

[Danieltwotwenty]

but itsn't it wrong to have the Pope it's not stated anywhere in the bible. Also what about purgatory ? I think god only knows a true person heart. So, I guess I shouldn't judge. I mean putting things in unbiblical if they aren't there

In what way do you think the pope is unbiblical? All he is is head of the Roman Catholic Church. He is not God or even a go between.

No idea about purgatory, but as far as I know it is a doctrine they believe from their understanding of the Bible.