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First direct evidence for inflation
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First direct evidence for inflation
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
So what exactly does this mean for us Hana, cause you know I'm not a physicist? 
Does this prove a beginning?
Does this prove a beginning?
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
I will quote:
When asked to comment on the implications of this discovery, Harvard theorist Avi Loeb said, "This work offers new insights into some of our most basic questions: Why do we exist? How did the universe begin? These results are not only a smoking gun for inflation, they also tell us when inflation took place and how powerful the process was."
When asked to comment on the implications of this discovery, Harvard theorist Avi Loeb said, "This work offers new insights into some of our most basic questions: Why do we exist? How did the universe begin? These results are not only a smoking gun for inflation, they also tell us when inflation took place and how powerful the process was."
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
So does this mean without a doubt there was a beginning to the universe?
Or is this just evidence for the current model?
Or is this just evidence for the current model?
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
They claim it is smoking gun for inflation. Not necessarily for beginning of the universe. Some theories say, there were more inflations, more beginnings and ends. Now scientist can study details of detected gravitational waves and rule out some theories. So the big thing is, there was inflation and that we can study details and rule out or support theories about our universe.Danieltwotwenty wrote:So does this mean without a doubt there was a beginning to the universe?
Or is this just evidence for the current model?
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
Sweet, just another piece of the puzzle hey.1over137 wrote:They claim it is smoking gun for inflation. Not necessarily for beginning of the universe. Some theories say, there were more inflations, more beginnings and ends. Now scientist can study details of detected gravitational waves and rule out some theories. So the big thing is, there was inflation and that we can study details and rule out or support theories about our universe.Danieltwotwenty wrote:So does this mean without a doubt there was a beginning to the universe?
Or is this just evidence for the current model?
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Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
Yes 
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
wow! simply wow! nice share hana
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the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
It is expected that Nobel prize will be for this discovery.neo-x wrote:wow! simply wow!
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
I was going to post about this before I saw it already here. I'm on Spring Break, but lots of my friends are talking about this considering one of the professors at my university is a co-leader of this project (so it's a big deal for our school in general). Pretty cool stuff.
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
1over137 wrote:I will quote:
When asked to comment on the implications of this discovery, Harvard theorist Avi Loeb said, "This work offers new insights into some of our most basic questions: Why do we exist? How did the universe begin? These results are not only a smoking gun for inflation, they also tell us when inflation took place and how powerful the process was."
A great discovery to support the Standard model - but I would disagree that it would answer the question "Why do we exist." Science cannot answer that.
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
I think "why" we exist in this context is not our purpose for existing, which science can't answer. I think "why" we exist in this context, is more of a cause type of why. Why do we exist? We exist because the Big Bang caused x to form, which eventually caused the necessary elements for life to exist.Silvertusk wrote:1over137 wrote:I will quote:
When asked to comment on the implications of this discovery, Harvard theorist Avi Loeb said, "This work offers new insights into some of our most basic questions: Why do we exist? How did the universe begin? These results are not only a smoking gun for inflation, they also tell us when inflation took place and how powerful the process was."
A great discovery to support the Standard model - but I would disagree that it would answer the question "Why do we exist." Science cannot answer that.
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
It basically cements the inflationary model as the standard model. If anyone deserves the Nobel prize it's Allan Guth, the father of the inflationary model (and the 'G' of the BVG theorem). While this discovery does not answer the source of the singularity prior to the big bang, the BVG theorem certainly helps in stating that any inflationary model is past incomplete (had a beginning) no matter the number of singularities (i.e. it rules out an infinite mutli-verse).1over137 wrote:They claim it is smoking gun for inflation. Not necessarily for beginning of the universe. Some theories say, there were more inflations, more beginnings and ends. Now scientist can study details of detected gravitational waves and rule out some theories. So the big thing is, there was inflation and that we can study details and rule out or support theories about our universe.Danieltwotwenty wrote:So does this mean without a doubt there was a beginning to the universe?
Or is this just evidence for the current model?
The conclusion is really inescapable but let's see how it gets spun around.
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
Why are a lot of scientists saying at the moment that this discovery is pointing to a multiverse?
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Re: First direct evidence for inflation
I personally have not heard that yet, and don't necessarily see where this evidence points to that at all. Did you read an article about it?Why are a lot of scientists saying at the moment that this discovery is pointing to a multiverse?