I quoted stats, taken from the the Australian Bureau of Statistics and the US Centre for Disease Control. These are facts, not numbers pulled out of a top hat for the mere sake of it, you may not like what these figures show but it doesn't change the statistics.Jac3510 wrote:Note the edits above. As far as the claim to ignorance, I see that for precisely what it is: projection.
Come back and talk to me when you've actually learned something about systems thinking. Thankfully, though, you're uninformed opinions are thankfully meaningless since you have absolutely no say so over what we get to do in our country.
By the way, you should be careful about spouting off statistics to people. You don't know who or what you are dealing with or their history. My family has been personally and tragically affected by this debate. So bear in mind that your "high minded" liberality here is offensive to me on a visceral level. What you are arguing for has literally resulted in death in my family; and worse, I have other family that are part of your "statistics." You don't know what you are talking about.
I do. I've lived it.
But keep preaching and making assumptions about people you don't know.
I'm sorry that you have seen and lived through a horrible situation, I do not know exactly what you are talking about but I can assure you that I have lived through and seen some pretty tragic, life changing experiences and on a very personal level if that is where we are taking this, I am very grateful and lucky that there were no guns involved otherwise there is a very strong possibility I would not be here.
Emotions get very high on issues such as this, but every single person has a right to their opinion on gun control and restrictions and every right to voice it. Pure emotive argument should not be substituted for logical argument.
On a side note, I am not a liberalist, I do not side with left wing politics here in Australia or your country, but I am not a conservative either. I am very interested in politics but I do not take a stand on either side, both sides have policies that I agree and dis-agree on. Both sides distort the issues and use propaganda to suit them when they desire, that is politics for you. I look at the issues and and policies at hand and base my opinions on what I think is right and just. In doing so, my particular opinions sway on both sides of politics. Does this make me a fence sitter, maybe, but I have never and will never substitute my opinion for that of a particular political party, an individual, a church denomination or whatever because when you throw all your eggs in one basket, never questioning, never walking to the beat of your own drum, you run into the very dangerous path of being controlled and blindly following beliefs or policies that you otherwise perhaps would not based solely on the fact that it is your political party's policy, or your church's belief or your mothers/fathers/wife's opinion.