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A subject some may feel uncomfortable with.
The subject is masturbation.
Is it a sin in of itself?
The Bible says nothing explicit about it. There is that story in Genesis about Onan and how he disobeyed God. But that isn't masturbation being the sin, that is the act being used as a means of sinning, the sin being greed. Onan didn't want his dead brother's wife to have children because they would have the inheritance and not Onan himself. This doesn't make it a sin, just the vessel of sin.
Masturbation is self-induced ejaculation.
Leviticus 15:16-18
So, you are unclean until evening after bathing, even if it is with your wife. Is masturbation a sin, unless you make big inferences, it isn't.
But what about the fantasies associated with the act? Yes those are sinful, because they involve lust after a member of the opposite sex. Adultery starts in the heart, if the object of the act isn't the spouse of the person doing the act, it's adultery.
So, what are your thoughts? I'm not sure on this subject myself and I want everyones opinions, there are plenty of better Christians here to discuss this with. It's a pretty iffy subject too, one that doesn't come up because people are embarassed to discuss it. Let's bring this out in the open for any lost teenager who needs guidance.
Is it a sin in of itself?
The Bible says nothing explicit about it. There is that story in Genesis about Onan and how he disobeyed God. But that isn't masturbation being the sin, that is the act being used as a means of sinning, the sin being greed. Onan didn't want his dead brother's wife to have children because they would have the inheritance and not Onan himself. This doesn't make it a sin, just the vessel of sin.
Masturbation is self-induced ejaculation.
Leviticus 15:16-18
So, you are unclean until evening after bathing, even if it is with your wife. Is masturbation a sin, unless you make big inferences, it isn't.
But what about the fantasies associated with the act? Yes those are sinful, because they involve lust after a member of the opposite sex. Adultery starts in the heart, if the object of the act isn't the spouse of the person doing the act, it's adultery.
So, what are your thoughts? I'm not sure on this subject myself and I want everyones opinions, there are plenty of better Christians here to discuss this with. It's a pretty iffy subject too, one that doesn't come up because people are embarassed to discuss it. Let's bring this out in the open for any lost teenager who needs guidance.
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I don't know, but I do know that if Clinton had taken note of this, he wouldn't have been caught...it was on the dress!
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You need to start asking out girls so that you can get used to the rejections.
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Cheating Innocence
Shouldn't it be considered cheating on innocence itself? Even if you don't have an adulterous heart, aren't you still damaging your innocence? Won't it affect the brand-newness of sex for your honey moon? I'm not positive on this either, but these things I've mentioned make sense to me. Based on them it would make sense for it to be a sin.
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Since sin is basically just shutting out God, making fellowship with Him impossible, then masturbation would certainly qualify as sin. Unless you like an audience it is essentially a private act.
Actually that brings up an interesting point, do we have any private time where God is concerned?
I think of it not so much as a sin as an error, you have an incorrect perception of yourself and your role in life.
Actually that brings up an interesting point, do we have any private time where God is concerned?
I think of it not so much as a sin as an error, you have an incorrect perception of yourself and your role in life.
One online study of the subject
I'm not advocating this website in general. Some stuff is a little weird. Nor am I implying agreement or disagreement with the article. However, they do have a biblical study on the subject:
http://www.atruechurch.info/home.html
Scroll down the left side to the "Controversy" area and there you will find it.
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http://www.atruechurch.info/home.html
Scroll down the left side to the "Controversy" area and there you will find it.
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Having sex with your wife would be a private act, as is going to the bathroom. Are these sins as well?j316 wrote:Since sin is basically just shutting out God, making fellowship with Him impossible, then masturbation would certainly qualify as sin. Unless you like an audience it is essentially a private act.
Actually that brings up an interesting point, do we have any private time where God is concerned?
I think of it not so much as a sin as an error, you have an incorrect perception of yourself and your role in life.
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Well I guess whether or not these things are sins would depend on where the limits of our personal lives lie. Actually God pretty much commanded you to make love to your wife, and I'm sure He understands the nature of potty breaks. But did He did make your reproductive organ for sex within His guidelines or does He not care if you decide to seize it for your private purposes?voicingmaster wrote:Having sex with your wife would be a private act, as is going to the bathroom. Are these sins as well?j316 wrote:Since sin is basically just shutting out God, making fellowship with Him impossible, then masturbation would certainly qualify as sin. Unless you like an audience it is essentially a private act.
Actually that brings up an interesting point, do we have any private time where God is concerned?
I think of it not so much as a sin as an error, you have an incorrect perception of yourself and your role in life.
I feel that he didn't intend some of the uses we have found for them and that makes it a sin.
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Actually in Levicitus, it is mentioned as an appropiate way of getting off. It states that whoever produces semen on his own shall bathe in water to become clean, and he will be unclean until nightfall, and the same thing goes for with a woman. If a man were to eject semen into a woman, then they both shall bathe and then they will both be unclean until nightfall.j316 wrote:Well I guess whether or not these things are sins would depend on where the limits of our personal lives lie. Actually God pretty much commanded you to make love to your wife, and I'm sure He understands the nature of potty breaks. But did He did make your reproductive organ for sex within His guidelines or does He not care if you decide to seize it for your private purposes?voicingmaster wrote:Having sex with your wife would be a private act, as is going to the bathroom. Are these sins as well?j316 wrote:Since sin is basically just shutting out God, making fellowship with Him impossible, then masturbation would certainly qualify as sin. Unless you like an audience it is essentially a private act.
Actually that brings up an interesting point, do we have any private time where God is concerned?
I think of it not so much as a sin as an error, you have an incorrect perception of yourself and your role in life.
I feel that he didn't intend some of the uses we have found for them and that makes it a sin.
Ergo, masturbation is no worse than doing it with your wife. And we don't exactly follow the cleanseness rules of Levicitus anymore, b/c all was made clean through Christ.
And if you don't believe me :
http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?boo ... text=verse
http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?boo ... text=verse
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Re: One online study of the subject
This website sums it up for me, it's hard as hell to get into heaven!Once4all wrote:I'm not advocating this website in general. Some stuff is a little weird. Nor am I implying agreement or disagreement with the article. However, they do have a biblical study on the subject:
http://www.atruechurch.info/home.html
Scroll down the left side to the "Controversy" area and there you will find it.
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Self Abusing Adultury
Definitely a sin because it involves lust. It is also self abuse and wasteful. Although a difficult thing to overcome, as it requires a huge amount of effort, through Christ Jesus all things are possible and it can be overcome.
Re: A subject some may feel uncomfortable with.
What if you don't fantasize about anything or you fantasize about nonsexual things while you do it?Dan wrote: But what about the fantasies associated with the act? .
If masturbation is a sin, we're all guilty of it!
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Masturbation IS morally wrong. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:
2352 "By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138 "
IT IS WRONG BECAUSE IT BASICALLY SEX WITH YOURSELF. IN OTHER WORDS....A PERSON IS NOT OPEN TO LIFE!!
IT IS BEING SELFISH AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOUR POWER TO CREATE LIFE................AND JUST ON A SIDE NOTE........NOT EVERYONE DOES IT!!!!!!!!!
2352 "By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138 "
IT IS WRONG BECAUSE IT BASICALLY SEX WITH YOURSELF. IN OTHER WORDS....A PERSON IS NOT OPEN TO LIFE!!
IT IS BEING SELFISH AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOUR POWER TO CREATE LIFE................AND JUST ON A SIDE NOTE........NOT EVERYONE DOES IT!!!!!!!!!
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Not that I disagree Completely but since People are not of the Catholic Faith do you mind putting some Scriptures with your Thoughts.marys_little_one wrote:Masturbation IS morally wrong. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:
2352 "By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138 "
IT IS WRONG BECAUSE IT BASICALLY SEX WITH YOURSELF. IN OTHER WORDS....A PERSON IS NOT OPEN TO LIFE!!
IT IS BEING SELFISH AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOUR POWER TO CREATE LIFE................AND JUST ON A SIDE NOTE........NOT EVERYONE DOES IT!!!!!!!!!
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