Is it wrong..

[Lonewolf]

Is it wrong, or unpermitted, Biblically speaking, for women to teach or preach "in front" of the congregation?

What did Paul have to say about it?

Not to mention, Christ?

[Jac3510]

My understanding of the texts is "no." I think we've made a mistake in equating teaching and even preaching with what pastors do on Sunday morning. I would even go so far as to suggest that very few churches actually have anyone teaching. Male or female. Ever.

[1over137]

Jac, can women preach to men?

[1over137]

Jac, what do you think about this article?
http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html

[Jac3510]

I don't have any problem with women preaching to men. If a woman proclaims the gospel, then so much the better. I disagree with the article that Paul's insistence that a woman not have authority over a man "definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority." I've offered some of my thoughts on the matter here:

http://cmmorrison.wordpress.com/2010/08 ... in-church/

[1over137]

I don't have any problem with women preaching to men. If a woman proclaims the gospel, then so much the better. I disagree with the article that Paul's insistence that a woman not have authority over a man "definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority." I've offered some of my thoughts on the matter here:

http://cmmorrison.wordpress.com/2010/08 ... in-church/

Thanks,
I will read that.

[1over137]

I don't have any problem with women preaching to men. If a woman proclaims the gospel, then so much the better. I disagree with the article that Paul's insistence that a woman not have authority over a man "definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority." I've offered some of my thoughts on the matter here:

http://cmmorrison.wordpress.com/2010/08 ... in-church/

So, according to your article, I may teach and preach, but always under the headship of men.

Hmm, may I as a moderator moderate poster who is a man?

[Jac3510]

I don't have any problem with women preaching to men. If a woman proclaims the gospel, then so much the better. I disagree with the article that Paul's insistence that a woman not have authority over a man "definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority." I've offered some of my thoughts on the matter here:

http://cmmorrison.wordpress.com/2010/08 ... in-church/

So, according to your article, I may teach and preach, but always under the headship of men.

Within the context of church leadership, yes; and, of course, understanding "headship" properly. It's a purely an issue of function and has absolutely no bearing on anyone's value or standing before God.

Hmm, may I as a moderator moderate poster who is a man?

YOU MUST MODERATE AS I SAY!!!!!11!! hahahahahahaha

This isn't a church, but even if we so conceived it, that still wouldn't have anything to do with teaching or authority or any such thing. After all, however you think of yourself, I doubt it is in terms of being our elder/shepherd/spiritual authority. If I were to guess, I would bet it's something more along the lines of peace keeper or basic rule enforcer. And while an elder may keep the peace sometimes, that's not their basic responsibility. The same is true for enforcing rules. Keep in mind that the gifts of administration are their own classification, and while an elder ought to be able to administrate, even that is not his basic job. As such, there is absolutely nothing preventing a female from fully operating in such a role, at least in my view. And taking that back to the boards, if you wanted to compare what you do with a church position, I would think administration would be far more appropriate.

[1over137]

Peace keeper - I like that

[B. W.]

Peace keeper - I like that

He better be...

Hana Jac...



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[1over137]

I did not want to anybody

(Not good from peace keeper )

[Lonewolf]

(1) My understanding of the texts is "no." I think we've made a mistake in equating teaching and even preaching with what pastors do on Sunday morning. (2) I would even go so far as to suggest that very few churches actually have anyone teaching. Male or female. Ever.

Well then, should there be women pastors?

We already know that women teach in Christ, but can they be pastors of a church (congregation) ?? Biblically speaking, that is

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In regards to (2)

Imo, we have become too critical of most basic teachings, and demand more because of our inquiring mind, but that does not mean that the rest of the congregation requires the same amount of learning that some of us do, because for some, in fact, for many, basics is all they need. It is hard to acknowledge, but many are indeed conformed with basics, and that's all they require to keep them in the faith.

[neo-x]

Hana, my own understanding is that in biblical times, the role of spiritual headship fell unto men because they were male dominant cultures. In a female dominant culture God would always chose women over men. That is also the reason why God is always referred to in the male-gender. And one thing I agree with Jac on is that at its core this is not really driven by gender but by authority. So whoever has authority between both sexes has a greater chance to lead. Male dominant cultures have males as heads, authority figures. God is then depicted in the same way. Even though we know God has no gender.

So I don't think we can say for certain that

We should simply recognize that God has ordained the husband as the spiritual head of the household, and as such, women are, in some sense, not to be in spiritual authority over men.

From Jac's article.

We can only say that in biblical times it was always true. Today, I see no reason why we should simply accept that. I understand where you are coming from Jac, my own church had the same teaching but I don't find it convincing anymore.

In biblical times women were ill-equipped to handle the tasks men did. And that is why 99% of the times God chose males to do their tasks. Women were illiterate, had not much social standing, were given very less power compared to men, and were considered inferior to men. Their role was solely related to hearth and bed and children. That is why the king was male, the prophet was male, the priest and high priest was male. The Jewish law even assigns double the days for females to be purified compared to men. It drips with male dominance all over the place.