Suicide or Martyrdom?

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stuartcr wrote:Myself
Now all you have to do is prove yourself an absolute (relatively speaking).
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I already have.
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stuartcr wrote:I already have.
Lol, okey dokey then, if you say so I will take your relative word for it.
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Stuart, if you are absolute, then I should consider my decisions with respect to you. :shock:
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stuartcr wrote:I already have.
So you are absolutely sure about this?
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1over137 wrote:Stuart, if you are absolute, then I should consider my decisions with respect to you. :shock:
No, your absolutes are yours, not mine.
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stuartcr wrote:Myself
That doesn't make any sense, sorry.
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OK, I guess we think differently then.
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Stuart,

That's called subjective. Not objective or absolute.

Look at Dr. Craig's answer here.
“Absolute” means “regardless of the circumstances.” “Relative” means “varying with the circumstances.” We can agree, for example, that it is not absolutely wrong to kill another person. In some circumstances killing another person may be morally justified and even obligatory. To affirm that one’s moral duty varies with the circumstances is not to say that we have no objective moral duties to fulfill.
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Who do you believe determines one's objective moral duties that need fulfillment?
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stuartcr wrote:Who do you believe determines one's objective moral duties that need fulfillment?
I thought you'd already established that, it's you. y#-o
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That is what you believe? If so, kudos for you.
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Here's a summary:
PaulSacramento wrote:You still have to believe logically in some sort of absolute to be a relativist or else what are you being "relative" to ?
stuartcr wrote:Myself
Byblos wrote:Now all you have to do is prove yourself an absolute (relatively speaking).
stuartcr wrote:I already have.
Byblos wrote:
stuartcr wrote:Who do you believe determines one's objective moral duties that need fulfillment?
I thought you'd already established that, it's you. y#-o
stuartcr wrote:That is what you believe? If so, kudos for you.
It's not what I believe, it's what you absolutely stated. Are you now changing your absolute mind?
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stuartcr wrote:
1over137 wrote:Stuart, if you are absolute, then I should consider my decisions with respect to you. :shock:
No, your absolutes are yours, not mine.
What does it mean 'my absolutes'? How 'my absolutes' can be absolutes?
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Byblos wrote:Here's a summary:
PaulSacramento wrote:You still have to believe logically in some sort of absolute to be a relativist or else what are you being "relative" to ?
stuartcr wrote:Myself
Byblos wrote:Now all you have to do is prove yourself an absolute (relatively speaking).
stuartcr wrote:I already have.
Byblos wrote:
stuartcr wrote:Who do you believe determines one's objective moral duties that need fulfillment?
I thought you'd already established that, it's you. y#-o
stuartcr wrote:That is what you believe? If so, kudos for you.
It's not what I believe, it's what you absolutely stated. Are you now changing your absolute mind?
Yes it is what you believe. As I stated earlier, you have your absolutes, and I have mine. There are things that I would or wouldn't do, just as there are things you would or wouldn't do. I believe God instills this in each individual. I only have to prove this to myself, and as far as I'm concerned, I already have. Your beliefs are different than mine, so what you consider to be an absolute, is different than mine.
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