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Do you limit God?
I've heard it said so many times about what is and what is not in the Bible in relation as to what is needed or not needed for salvation. I have heard and read that the mosaic law is no longer needed for salvation, that there is a new covenant. I have heard and read debate after debate that keeping the Sabbaths, abstaining from unclean foods, or that drinking or smoking and even cursing is not necessarily a measure of one's righteous living, much less one's salvation. Time and time again grace is the key word said, not by actions nor good works but by faith, and yet, time after time we fall back to legalisms. Legalisms of scripture, or so we like to quote. But I have to ask that if even though we teach and preach faith by grace, have we not ourselves also fallen into the same legalistic modus operandi with all of our quotations of what we interpret to be right and wrong belief in God which we criticize of others?
Do we, by default, judge and condemn the many based on our understanding of scripture, therefore becoming legalistic followers ourselves?
Have We Limited God's Grace?
Do we, by default, judge and condemn the many based on our understanding of scripture, therefore becoming legalistic followers ourselves?
Have We Limited God's Grace?
Your outward profession of having put on Christ, has as yet to put off Plato from your heart!
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Re: Do you limit God?
God knows who are his. We do not know.
I think sometimes we judge people, write them off, but the truth may be, they are known by God.
I think sometimes we judge people, write them off, but the truth may be, they are known by God.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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Re: Do you limit God?
Of course we do because we love to put limits on everything in order to define it according to our terms. And yes, it is possible to use foul language and still be saved; and to drink and to smoke and to drive way over the speed limit* and to even have tattoos of naked women all over your body.Lonewolf wrote:Have We Limited God's Grace?
Anytime you are tempted to judge another Christian, read Romans 14.
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*RickD is guilty of this last offence, just look at the car he bought.
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Re: Do you limit God?
well, it wasn't where i was trying to head with the question
what i was trying to get at is the fact that we take liberties in our Christian belief as long as we are believers in Christ's (name)
but it appears that when it comes to the rest of the world's people, they are doomed because they have not come to embrace Christ's (name) as we have
therefore, they could do better than we do in life, but yet come out short at the end
it sounds to me that we have indeed become too legalistic in our understanding of the redemption that the Lord offers to the world at large
what i was trying to get at is the fact that we take liberties in our Christian belief as long as we are believers in Christ's (name)
but it appears that when it comes to the rest of the world's people, they are doomed because they have not come to embrace Christ's (name) as we have
therefore, they could do better than we do in life, but yet come out short at the end
it sounds to me that we have indeed become too legalistic in our understanding of the redemption that the Lord offers to the world at large
Your outward profession of having put on Christ, has as yet to put off Plato from your heart!
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Re: Do you limit God?
Wrong, LoboSolito. Those who understand the Bible intimately know that God has always offered salvation in the same manner, and to all peoples. King David, who impregnated another man's wife then had that guy killed, was loved by God. You'll meet King David when you get to heaven and can ask him about it. God loved David so much that He calls him ''a man after My own heart.'' So, Dr Hana is right:Lonewolf wrote:it sounds to me that we have indeed become too legalistic in our understanding of the redemption that the Lord offers to the world at large
FL1over137 wrote:God knows who are his. We do not know.
I think sometimes we judge people, write them off, but the truth may be, they are known by God.
Hold everything lightly. If you don't, it will hurt when God pries your fingers loose as He takes it from you. -Corrie Ten Boom
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
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Re: Do you limit God?
Yes Locolobo, salvation is by God's grace through faith in Christ. It's not a competition to see who lives a better life.lonewolf wrote:
...therefore, they could do better than we do in life, but yet come out short at the end...
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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Re: Do you limit God?
right, understand what you're saying, but -and I'm talking Christianity in general- believes that a Muslim, or a Buddhist and non-Christians are all doomed., without hope., without salvation., is that right, or am I wrong?
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You're asking me to speak for millions of Christians?Lonewolf wrote:right, understand what you're saying, but -and I'm talking Christianity in general- believes that a Muslim, or a Buddhist and non-Christians are all doomed., without hope., without salvation., is that right, or am I wrong?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
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no sir, I said that "I" was generalizingRickD wrote:You're asking me to speak for millions of Christians?Lonewolf wrote:right, understand what you're saying, but -and I'm talking Christianity in general- believes that a Muslim, or a Buddhist and non-Christians are all doomed., without hope., without salvation., is that right, or am I wrong?
you can state your view or understanding for yourself
there is no one here that speaks for "all Christians," NONE!
I have already come to grips with that reality
it troubles me, but so it is
what i have been trying to come to grips with is the "general" belief that if a person does not come to confess and baptize and believe like most "general" Christians believe, that they are doomed
and i was asking whether we (Christians) have become "legalistic" in that sense, and thus limiting God
Your outward profession of having put on Christ, has as yet to put off Plato from your heart!
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Where did you get the idea that "in general" Christians believe water baptism is necessary for salvation?what i have been trying to come to grips with is the "general" belief that if a person does not come to confess and baptize and believe like most "general" Christians believe, that they are doomed
and i was asking whether we (Christians) have become "legalistic" in that sense, and thus limiting God
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
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never mind Rick Dee's, you're choosing and nitpicking and avoiding the real question., I give upRickD wrote:Where did you get the idea that "in general" Christians believe water baptism is necessary for salvation?what i have been trying to come to grips with is the "general" belief that if a person does not come to confess and baptize and believe like most "general" Christians believe, that they are doomed
and i was asking whether we (Christians) have become "legalistic" in that sense, and thus limiting God
Your outward profession of having put on Christ, has as yet to put off Plato from your heart!
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I'm trying to show you that your question may be based on false assumptions.Lonewolf wrote:never mind Rick Dee's, you're choosing and nitpicking and avoiding the real question., I give upRickD wrote:Where did you get the idea that "in general" Christians believe water baptism is necessary for salvation?what i have been trying to come to grips with is the "general" belief that if a person does not come to confess and baptize and believe like most "general" Christians believe, that they are doomed
and i was asking whether we (Christians) have become "legalistic" in that sense, and thus limiting God
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Do you limit God?
Well, I don't think the other thief, the one whom asked Jesus to remember him - and to whom Jesus said that He would, had much of a chance of to do a high dive off of the baptismal diving board. I rarely run across an evangelical believing this about baptism.what i have been trying to come to grips with is the "general" belief that if a person does not come to confess and baptize and believe like most "general" Christians believe, that they are doomed
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Is it possible that a priest squirted Holy Water on the theif with a water pistol, thereby baptizing said theif as he hung on the cross?Philip wrote:Well, I don't think the other thief, the one whom asked Jesus to remember him - and to whom Jesus said that He would, had much of a chance of to do a high dive off of the baptismal diving board. I rarely run across an evangelical believing this about baptism.what i have been trying to come to grips with is the "general" belief that if a person does not come to confess and baptize and believe like most "general" Christians believe, that they are doomed
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Baptism of the spirit, of desire, by fire. Take your pick, they all apply in this case.Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Is it possible that a priest squirted Holy Water on the theif with a water pistol, thereby baptizing said theif as he hung on the cross?Philip wrote:Well, I don't think the other thief, the one whom asked Jesus to remember him - and to whom Jesus said that He would, had much of a chance of to do a high dive off of the baptismal diving board. I rarely run across an evangelical believing this about baptism.what i have been trying to come to grips with is the "general" belief that if a person does not come to confess and baptize and believe like most "general" Christians believe, that they are doomed
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