melanie wrote:Geez outlaw suck it up princess. Do you need a little more whoa is me, whoa is us. Interesting that a person would prefer to be a systematic robot, not having the ability to think for yourself but under the delusion that you are all because you don't want to experience any pain or suffering. Guess what. That's life. You can question why till the cows come home but in the meantime you better just suck it up and you know what, grow and learn from it. Stop being a tanty throwing, bad attitude twat and instead of trying to blame God take a look at yourself and see where your pain and suffering cause clearly you've had a bit otherwise you would not be carrying on like this can lead you into growth and depth as a person. It will make you or break you. Suffering will become the most vital life lesson and give you abundance in empathy and compassion or it will turn you into an angry, resentful person looking at every other person and/ or God to blame because you let it beat you and eat you away. Why me? Why us? It's not fair! You talk about life lessons we teach our children, how about stop passing the blame to others and thinking your so hard done by and sucking it up. And you know what that is exactly what you are doing, ohh the irony, not wanting to, or not having the conviction to stand next to your faults and screw ups and owning and claiming them. Take responsibility, if you want to turn your back on God, that's fine, don't accept His grace and pay the price.
You know what my son the other week did cop the blame for something his mate did, he got detention, he took the punishment because his friend is having a hell of a hard time ATM, parents going through a divorce and he didn't want to burden him. I could have gone to the school and told them what happened but I didn't, I could have told my son, stay away from this kid because he let you take the fall and knew it was unfair. But I didn't. Sacrifice when others are weak is the highest level of friendship, faith, love, compassion, and understanding. It takes strength and depth of character to firstly see this then a whole other level to implement it. Perhaps that is the real reason you fail to 'see' the absolute love and beauty in sacrifice, because you just don't have it in you mate. So who's fault is that??
You still haven't answered my questions i asked
Would you teach your child that it's ok for him/her, after doing something wrong at school to allow ANOTHER child to voluntarily accept his/her punishment? There's a difference between being ok with your son doing that and you being ok with another kid accepting your sons punishment and i never said anything about taking the wrap for someone who is going through a hard time but it was convenient for you to add that.
What if this kid your son went in to bat for was the school bully?
Why is it immoral to place our burden on a school mate, while at the same time think it moral for us to ride freely to heaven on the death of jesus?
Self sacrifice isn't love, yet i understand how it can be confused, i do things for others, i go without for myself in order for others to receive. You might move away from your family and friends in order to be with your partner which shows how much your willing to sacrifice for them which shows love.
But to say you want to be jesus like is a bit nuts, would you have someone kill you in order to show your loved ones how much you love them?
Especially when you made the rule to begin with that someone had to pay? It's slightly crazy
You're still using apologetics here you know it's wrong but your looking for ways to make it ok, your desperately trying to justify immoral behaviour, just like you have to in regards to jesus being cool with keeping slaves, there is no context in which it's ok to own someone else as property and beat them unless you can think of a situation in which you'd allow it can you? This is another question that is being avoided.
Suffering will become the most vital life lesson and give you abundance in empathy and compassion
This isn't about me or my suffering, im talking about real suffering the suffering a child goes through that just happens to be born in a place which has been torn apart (ironically in a lot of cases by religion, over people fighting over who's invisible friend promised them what) and this child is born into starvation and dies at a very early age.
What possible life lesson is there to learn for that child?
on top of that if that child happens to be born and in a non christian location and doesn't accept your version of god then your god will punish it again once it passes away. How nice, how loving
Take responsibility, if you want to turn your back on God, that's fine, don't accept His grace and pay the price
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Well that's the difference, im happy to take responsibility for my actions and cop the punishment, while you think it's ok for an innocent person to accept yours .You summed it up right there, are you happy to let your neighbour pay your electricity bill for you too?
You do the crime, you do the time isn't that how justice is served?
Why don't you accept gods punishment for your sins, don't you think it's fair? or don't you think your a sinner? It's not that you don't think it's fair is it, it's because you like the idea you can go on sinning knowing that you'll never have to pay the price for it.
Real big of you getting a free ride from an innocent person, whatever helps you sleep at night i suppose.
