Once Saved, Always Saved
True or False?
What does the New Testament say?
2 Pet. 2:20-21, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 6:4-6, Rev. 2:10, Rom. 8:12-13, Heb. 3:14, 1 Tim. 1:19, Rev. 3:5, Luke 3:9, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 10:26-27, 1 John 3:6
I personally do not believe that you're saved if you don't persevere till the end.
OSAS
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RickD
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Re: OSAS
Your profile says you're not Christian, so what does it matter?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: OSAS
Well, he was once saved so what does it matter what his status is now?RickD wrote:Your profile says you're not Christian, so what does it matter?
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Re: OSAS
Touché.Byblos wrote:Well, he was once saved so what does it matter what his status is now?RickD wrote:Your profile says you're not Christian, so what does it matter?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: OSAS
There were many debates on OSAS on this board. Try the search.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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Re: OSAS
I call for a ban on any newbie that asks a question from Christians. Give them a happy response and ban them, that way they don't ask no more joke questions. Yeah, that's the spirit of Christianity, good job fellow Christians.
Your outward profession of having put on Christ, has as yet to put off Plato from your heart!
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Re: OSAS
It was debated for example here http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... as#p154756
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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And here is commentary to Heb.6:4-6
http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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Re: OSAS
There are question that are valid for an unbeliever to ask, questions about how one reconciles pain and suffering with an all-loving God, did Jesus really live and was He resurrected? things like that.Lonewolf wrote:I call for a ban on any newbie that asks a question from Christians. Give them a happy response and ban them, that way they don't ask no more joke questions. Yeah, that's the spirit of Christianity, good job fellow Christians.
But when a non-believer asks a question based on doctrinal interpretation, like the "once saved, always saved", a question that is debated by theologians and has been for a very long time, one wonders WHY a non-believer would ask a question that even the TYPICAL believer doesn't ask...
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Re: OSAS
Lobosolitario,Lonewolf wrote:I call for a ban on any newbie that asks a question from Christians. Give them a happy response and ban them, that way they don't ask no more joke questions. Yeah, that's the spirit of Christianity, good job fellow Christians.
Usted que necesita para relajarse.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: OSAS
Have you been eating hamburgers tacos, burritos & empanadas made from mad cows?Lonewolf wrote:I call for a ban on any newbie that asks a question from Christians. Give them a happy response and ban them, that way they don't ask no more joke questions. Yeah, that's the spirit of Christianity, good job fellow Christians.
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Hold everything lightly. If you don't, it will hurt when God pries your fingers loose as He takes it from you. -Corrie Ten Boom
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
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Re: OSAS
PaulSacramento wrote:There are question that are valid for an unbeliever to ask, questions about how one reconciles pain and suffering with an all-loving God, did Jesus really live and was He resurrected? things like that.Lonewolf wrote:I call for a ban on any newbie that asks a question from Christians. Give them a happy response and ban them, that way they don't ask no more joke questions. Yeah, that's the spirit of Christianity, good job fellow Christians.
But when a non-believer asks a question based on doctrinal interpretation, like the "once saved, always saved", a question that is debated by theologians and has been for a very long time, one wonders WHY a non-believer would ask a question that even the TYPICAL believer doesn't ask...
Paul, it occurred to me that maybe Once Saved could be struggling with his faith. That's one thing. The second thing is that yes I'm sure just about all kinds of topics and questions have been debated and/or answered here, but I don't believe that a person who has been invited to the forum needs to be dismissed with such short answers, not even in a jokingly manner. For one, we really don't know the why of this person's questions and, are we to close the Bible book and say to people seeking answers, well, it has already been spoken of a million times already, so go read what was said before. I'm sorry but I'm not comfortable with neither position (1) jokingly dismiss someone, (2) send them elsewhere for answers.
Your outward profession of having put on Christ, has as yet to put off Plato from your heart!
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Rick Dee's, I need you to go back to attending the congregation, and maybe that way I can begin to relax.RickD wrote: Lobosolitario,
Usted que necesita para relajarse.
10-4 on that buddy?
SOLOxLOBO
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Re: OSAS
Lonewolf,
Nobody said anything dismissive towards oncesaved. Did you misread something?
If you're talking about my back and forth with Byblos, it goes back to the many conversations we've had about osas. I believe in absolute assurance, Byblos doesn't. Byblos was actually joking with me.
Nobody said anything dismissive towards oncesaved. Did you misread something?
If you're talking about my back and forth with Byblos, it goes back to the many conversations we've had about osas. I believe in absolute assurance, Byblos doesn't. Byblos was actually joking with me.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: OSAS
RickD wrote:Lonewolf,
Nobody said anything dismissive towards oncesaved. Did you misread something?
If you're talking about my back and forth with Byblos, it goes back to the many conversations we've had about osas. I believe in absolute assurance, Byblos doesn't. Byblos was actually joking with me.
Alright, I see now where you two where coming from. For someone who does not have the long history in this forum, it may read differently, and that's where I was coming from.
Comprendes Mendez?
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