Is it possible to get to heaven without help from the Son ?
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LittleHamster
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Is it possible to get to heaven without help from the Son ?
I would probably say 'not a chance'. But are there, or have there been any exceptions ? After all, we got ourselves into this mess. Is it possible to get ourselves out ?
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Re: Is it possible to get to heaven without help from the So
LittleHamster wrote:I would probably say 'not a chance'. But are there, or have there been any exceptions ? After all, we got ourselves into this mess. Is it possible to get ourselves out ?
Quite simply - no.
It takes a God to save us.
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Re: Is it possible to get to heaven without help from the So
Moses and Elijah comes to mind. Did they know about the God-the-Son and got his help.
Sorry, I'm not much of an expert on the old testament stuff.
Sorry, I'm not much of an expert on the old testament stuff.
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Re: Is it possible to get to heaven without help from the So
LittleHamster wrote:Moses and Elijah comes to mind. Did they know about the God-the-Son and got his help.
Sorry, I'm not much of an expert on the old testament stuff.
They were still saved by the blood of Jesus. His blood saves us past, present and future. Moses and Elijah were justified by their faith - but they were still saved by Jesus atoning sacrifice on the cross.
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Re: Is it possible to get to heaven without help from the So
Not to mention that the God Moses and Elijah had faith in was the very same God Who Christ is part of. So if one has faith in the one, true God, then they automatically also had faith in ALL God is - which necessarily includes Jesus and His Spirit. But before Jesus became a man, God had not yet fully revealed to Moses and Elijah the more fuller understanding of ALL that He is that we have today. This is why, to reject either the Father, Son or Holy Spirit is to also reject God - as these ALL make up God. And, according to Romans, one does not need to fully understand Jesus or the Trinity to reject God - as they can reject Him by only rejected what has already been revealed to them - His existence, benevolance, love and glory. Further rejection of Jesus would only be a redundancy, as they would have ALREADY rejected Him, as He is part of God - the very God they at least know some basic revelations about.They were still saved by the blood of Jesus. His blood saves us past, present and future. Moses and Elijah were justified by their faith - but they were still saved by Jesus atoning sacrifice on the cross.
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Re: Is it possible to get to heaven without help from the So
The spirit always goes to Heaven, it returns to the God.
I think you mean is is possible to be saved without help from Christ and the answer is 100% NO.
Salvation and redemption are IN HIM and no one else, in no other thing.
I think you mean is is possible to be saved without help from Christ and the answer is 100% NO.
Salvation and redemption are IN HIM and no one else, in no other thing.