I read his blog, excellent suggestion. will check it out for sureI know this thread is a little old but I would definitely recommend "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne
An excellent contemporary book that is extremely well respected and covers the basics of the theory of evolution.
Goes over evolution, gradualism, speciation, common ancestry, natural selection, genetic drift, the fossil record, DNA evidence, vestiges, embryos, bad design, the distribution of species and much much more.
Check it out
Beginners guide to evolutionary theory
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May I suggest after you read books about evolution that you actually look into the evidence that is supposed to back it up?I started examining the evidence for evolution from debating atheists they would give me links and I would save them and read them later and once you get a link you can then examine many more articles on evolution and you can examine the evidence too.I reject evolution after examining the evidence and I'd reject it even if I wasn't a Christian.
May I suggest after you read books about evolution that you actually look into the evidence that is supposed to back it up?I started examining the evidence for evolution from debating atheists they would give me links and I would save them and read them later and once you get a link you can then examine many more articles on evolution and you can examine the evidence too.I reject evolution after examining the evidence and I'd reject it even if I wasn't a Christian.
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Re: Beginners guide to evolutionary theory
Same way that you can discuss geology, chemistry, etc without having to know how the universe started. Evolution would work exactly the same way whether a God started the first life, or it it was a spontaneous event.RickD wrote:Good luck finding THAT book.neo wrote:
I am looking for a scientific book with a beginner's understanding of macro-evolutionary theory, without religious or atheistic takes on it.
You might as well search for the fountain of youth!
There may be books somewhere with only a little of religious or atheistic takes, but how can one talk about biological evolution without coming to the point of "beginnings"?
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I've never seen or read a book like that, tho there may be one.neo-x wrote:Hi, can any one suggest a good beginners book to understand the evolutionary theory?
I would appreciate a book which does not delve into, why ID or creationism is wrong, I don't want any philosophical takes on it. I would like a book which a student would be reading.
How much of a "beginner" are you? Have you taken any biology courses, for example?
Why do you want to study and understand evolutionary theory?
None of the books and articles that I read in the five years I put into the general field really said anything about "why ID or creationism is wrong". They didnt talk about Native American creation stories, Hindu deities, or any of that.
Evolutionary theory, really theories, plural as K pointed out is a kind of bundle or related topics. It involves genetics, geology, anatomy, etc and so on.
And likewise, for evolution to be "wrong", so would great chunks of all the physical sciences have to be "wrong."
Simple example: Physicists calculate the rate at which the rotation of the earth is slowing. So, making up an example, 200 million years ago there were 400 days in a year.
Some geologists / paleontologists find a fossil coral with both daily and annual growth rings, and they count, ok, 400 per year. This fellow must be about 200 million years old. And lets say radiometric dating gives the same value.
One finds, too, that the assemblage of marine fauna associated with the coral is profoundly different from that of today.
What is one to make of this? Surely not that atomic theory and astrophysics must be thrown out.
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The answer is right under your nose! Go to the Source, go to Darwin's The Origin Of Species. Nobody seems to have ever read it, but me. This never ceases to amaze me: a pivotal book in Western thought which nobody bothers to read!
It is easy reading, if somewhat long-winded.
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Like Moby **** that way, but a good suggestion.Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:The answer is right under your nose! Go to the Source, go to Darwin's The Origin Of Species. Nobody seems to have ever read it, but me. This never ceases to amaze me: a pivotal book in Western thought which nobody bothers to read!
It is easy reading, if somewhat long-winded.
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You must mean Herman Melville's MobyDick. The system's censor cut out the second word of this great American classic... I'm sure few people bother to read MobyDick as well, although like Darwin's seminal work, people know the story ...sort-of, but not really.
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Re: Beginners guide to evolutionary theory
Hi, thanks for all the suggestions. This thread was made back in 2012. I'm happy to add that since then I have read quite a lot on the topic. Most notably:
The original Darwin Wallace paper on origin of species
The selfish gene
Ancestor's tale
Why Evolution is true.
The Panda's thumb
What Evolution Is
along with some studies and published papers.
The original Darwin Wallace paper on origin of species
The selfish gene
Ancestor's tale
Why Evolution is true.
The Panda's thumb
What Evolution Is
along with some studies and published papers.
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and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
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I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
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Well...that's the Source of the Source! I didn't even think to read it...neo-x wrote:Hi, thanks for all the suggestions. This thread was made back in 2012. I'm happy to add that since then I have read quite a lot on the topic.
Most notably:The original Darwin Wallace paper on origin of species
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Re: Beginners guide to evolutionary theory
neo-x wrote:Hi, thanks for all the suggestions. This thread was made back in 2012. I'm happy to add that since then I have read quite a lot on the topic. Most notably:
The original Darwin Wallace paper on origin of species
The selfish gene
Ancestor's tale
Why Evolution is true.
The Panda's thumb
What Evolution Is
along with some studies and published papers.
So, what do you think?
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I think evolution is the most fake thing to be called science since, like forever....Just kidding. I think evolution is the best model to explain life. I am awed by the whole thing.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
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I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
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Neo,neo-x wrote:I think evolution is the most fake thing to be called science since, like forever....Just kidding. I think evolution is the best model to explain life. I am awed by the whole thing.
Are you saying evolution as a model, explains how life began? Or, do you mean as a model, it doesn't make any claims on how life began, just how life changed? Or are you saying it explains both the beginning of life, and how life changed?
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It doesn't talk about origins of life which is kind of a different subject "Abiogenesis". Evolution is, how life changed once it was there and that is what I was talking about.
I can see how my wording may have seemed a bit misleading, though.
I can see how my wording may have seemed a bit misleading, though.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
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I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
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So what is your take on the origins of life?neo-x wrote:It doesn't talk about origins of life which is kind of a different subject "Abiogenesis". Evolution is, how life changed once it was there and that is what I was talking about.
I can see how my wording may have seemed a bit misleading, though.
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Ok, that's what I thought you were saying.neo-x wrote:It doesn't talk about origins of life which is kind of a different subject "Abiogenesis". Evolution is, how life changed once it was there and that is what I was talking about.
I can see how my wording may have seemed a bit misleading, though.
Since you wrote it, are you saying you believe abiogenesis explains the origins of life? Or did you just throw that out there as one example of a belief of origins?
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