WHO ARE THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL?

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

It is my custom to be nice? I will take that as a compliment.

Yes, you come across as a very nice & pleasant lady.

FL

[LostTribesNotLost]

Hi Melanie.

Thanks for your input.
Although I don't agree with everything you say, you have provided a valuable perspective and have not resulted to personal insults and name calling (or gotten close to that point like some others on here who call themselves Christians), although I do find you far too neutral (in my opinion) - and mainly in order to simply remain "politically correct" which is not the way to go if you are really looking for the truth. Also, simply because there are a lot of different opinions out there, that does not mean that the truth must therrefore be somewhere in between all those differing opinions.

Although you have made some valid points, like concerning conversions to Judaism, etc, I think you have (unintentionally) distracted from some very important facts and scriptural quotes I have used to illustrate important points - points that critics of British Israelism (BI) are trying to discredit using nothing but absolute lies with no foundation in scripture, history, or science as I have shown.

The DNA studies do not prove as much as they seem to prove at first glance.
Besides the Khazars in about the 10th century AD, the Edomites (eg King Herod in the Bible) converted EN MASS as well to Judaism about 200 years before Christ.
The Khazars were not Semitic in race, but the Edomites WERE SEMITIC!!! (although they were not Jews, or Israelites by race).
Since the Edomites were Semitic (descendands of Shem, but also of Canaanites), the modern Jews therefore can trace some amounts of Semitic ancestry (in the Middle East) - and thats all that these studies prove. That they share some DNA with modern Arabs in the Middle East. That does not prove they are Israelites and it does not prove they are Jews (genetically). Not only that, but this DNA they are tracing is never discussed in Black, White and mixed race terms so we are not even able to ever properly identify what it even means in the study. DNA is the foundation on race / ethinicity and therefore cannot NOT be discussed when discussing DNA and ancestry in general. The modern inhabbitants of the Middle East (eg Arabs) are black and white mixed race people.
The modern Jews are also a mixed race (black and white - with more white than the arabs of course).
The modern Europeans and their descendants / relatives in the US are white (not mixed for the most part) - so offcourse they will not share the DNA of the arabs, as the Jews do. What is never made mention of is the DNA of the ANCIENT inhabbitants of the Middle East which was white (not mixed). The DNA of Tutankamun as an example although very few other specimins (eg. from Palestine) have been tested, especially since they did not preserve the bodies of their dead like the Egyptians (although their own racial descriptions of themselves in ancient Palestine/Israel are clearly caucasoid - ask me for the proof and I will provide) ). Oops, am I being racist again BW?

I would prefer it if people on here could disect those points that I made in my last post, rather that go off at a tangent.
(which has forced me to do the same thing in response, like now)
The debate will then be much more focused and far more productive, without going around in circles all the time.

To address the others on here besides Melanie:
To split hairs by saying I am promoting a racist belief (which by the way is also not true) and saying that I am not an actual racist myself is really ridiculous and just as bad (especially without proof) and it is a deliberate attempt to divert attention from my core points that I made and at the same time smear my name so that I will seem so discredited that nobody will even bother to read what it is that I am saying.
Some Jews do the same by taking the anti-semitic accusations way to far in the same way (when perceived to be under attack).
Not all Jews, but some (before you start calling me anti-semitic as well!!!!!)

It is interesting that the biggest disbelievers and accusers against British Israelism (BI) are those that not only resort to these tactics , but in fact have very little to contribute themselves in dissecting the evidence and weighing in on each point in detail in their own words. Linking to other articles has it's place and that's why I do it as well, but I also dissect the points made in my critics articles and in the articles I promote because I am a free thinker and have the willingness and ability to do so.
It is astonishing to see my biggest critics neglect to even do that - and worse to virtually resort to name calling in their own defence.
Truly pathetic behavior.

Melanie, I solute you!!! You at least are earnestly willing to look at all the facts and respond to most of them all as best you can - even though you seem overwhelmed and confused at to where exactly the truth lies. I wonder if the other on here will finally "man up" (excuse the phrase) like you have (and stop changing the subject). I encourage you Melanie to keep following this thread and also take another look in detail as to the scriptural evidence I have provided thus far.
Melanie, you have nothing to apologise for regarding what you said about the difference between anti-zionism and racism WHICH WAS 100% CORRECT!!!
You mean well, but I wish you were not so "luke-warm" as the Bible puts it.
Revelation 3:16 "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

I welcome comments in detail on the points I raised in my last post above - specifically the second and third points I made.
The second one being that Christ Himself spoke of the lost tribes, called them lost and spoke about their whereabouts outside of Palestine.
Was he also promoting a racist belief?

[LostTribesNotLost]

Strange how FL and BW have suddenly gone extremely quite.
Seems like the devil really is in the detail...

[B. W.]

Strange how FL and BW have suddenly gone extremely quite.
Seems like the devil really is in the detail...

No, I have been on the road for the past week and off line. Traveling to such places as Knoxville, Pigeon Forge, Smokey Mountains, Chattanooga's Lookout Mountain, and Nashville Tn where I played a 15,000 dollar Olson Guitar at Gruhn Guitars. If you would like, you can purchase it for me or the 1926 Martian for 40,000 dollars!

1926 Martian at Gruhn Guitars The guitars play so well and sound so good it is indescribable, they have the old Rickenbacker's for that 60's sound. In fact just about everything.

Now back to this thread:

"Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes." Proverbs 26:5 NKJV just maybe the real reason no one is answering you, for your own good no less...

Replacement theology has been thoroughly refuted and proven false as well as indeed racist.
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[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

Well, since BW has answered this post,

Strange how FL and BW have suddenly gone extremely quite.
Seems like the devil really is in the detail...

I should say that I saw our fake Israelite's comment the day it was posted but decided to ignore it because it was just more nonsense.

I wonder what attracts certain people to abberant hermeneutics? In the case of British Israelism, PRIDE, that olde demon we all must deal with, is probably a very strong aspect of their personality...I guess...

FL

[Philip]

1926 Martian at Gruhn Guitars The guitars play so well and sound so good it is indescribable, they have the old Rickenbacker's for that 60's sound. In fact just about everything.

Gosh, B.W., I never played on of them there "Martian" guitars - sounds out of this world!

BTW, not too long ago I played an old 1950s-era D-28 - but I just wasn't hearing those many $zeros - nice, but not worth the amount I could buy several other very nice acoustics for.

[RickD]

1926 Martian at Gruhn Guitars The guitars play so well and sound so good it is indescribable, they have the old Rickenbacker's for that 60's sound. In fact just about everything.

Gosh, B.W., I never played on of them there "Martian" guitars - sounds out of this world!

BTW, not too long ago I played an old 1950s-era D-28 - but I just wasn't hearing those many $zeros - nice, but not worth the amount I could buy several other very nice acoustics for.

Since this thread is all but in the crapper, I'll play along. I wonder if the Martian guitar belongs to B. W.'s good friend Martian Luther.

[Philip]

Since this thread is all but in the crapper, I'll play along. I wonder if the Martian guitar belongs to B. W.'s good friend Martian Luther.

Quite possibly - I hear he was an excellent luthier.

[B. W.]

You know harps and stringed instruments represent in the bible - divine truths?

It was interesting to play some of the most expensive guitars I ever seen. Think of it, Jesus, is the most expensive divine truth there is and his actions that saved and seal us are free!

Back to the guitars: these are well crafted items with the purest of sound that carries, way to expensive for me but nice to play around with in the shop. Try going to Gurhn's sometimes and have some fun!
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[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

Since this thread is all but in the crapper...

It has been revealed to me in a dream last night that I am a direct descendant of one of Jesus' brothers' from the Lost Tribe of Judah. Specifically, I am descended from Jesus' brother Herman.

LostTribesNotLost, thank you for opening my eyes! Henceforth, please address me as "Your Greatness."

FL

[RickD]

My descendants are English, Scottish, German, and Swedish. According to this British Jewish thing, that makes makes me more important than you all. Henceforth, I will no longer be associating with all of you non chosen peons.

And my wife is 1/345th Native American, so we are entitled to our own casino.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

And my wife is 1/345th Native American, so we are entitled to our own casino.

I'm so terribly, horribly disappointed at this information, Rick. Don't you know that it is wrong for an Israelite to marry Pocahontas?

REPENT! Put away that foreign woman, Ezra 10:2, 3.

FL

[Philip]

Rick wrote: My descendants are English, Scottish, German, and Swedish. According to this British Jewish thing, that makes makes me more important than you all. Henceforth, I will no longer be associating with all of you non chosen peons.

And my wife is 1/345th Native American, so we are entitled to our own casino.

My father's family were all Scots-Irish (a Southern white man's version of a mutt). For most people in the South, they know very little about their ancestry before their grandparents, and next to nothing about their family's European (or other) roots. Oh, and my mother's family were English and German. I go up to CT (where my wife grew up) and there are still many ethnic family traditions in food and practice. In the South, very few old country traditions are observed or even known. Long-time Southerners are typically black (African), Scots-Irish or German. As for Scots-Irish - what does that really mean - my people were good at fighting in "skirts," hated the English, and could drink copious amounts of alcohol while bragging about their exploits ?

Seriously, I wish I knew more about my ancestral origins and traditions. But I really don't care if they were all drunkards and thieves - as so many let their cultural traditions and most recent ancestry define who they are and what they should supposedly think. People forget how many people are in their tree. Everyone has 8 great grandparents, 16 great-greats, 32 great-great-greats, etc. But the funny thing is, we typically define ourselves through our father's or mother's immediate lineage. When someone speaks of their great-grandfather, they are usually speaking of their father's father's father. But we should wonder, "which one of your four great grandfathers are you speaking of?"

[LostTribesNotLost]

Wow, talk about spamming!!!
Aren't you moderators supposed to restrict spam and not partake in it yourselves?

Amazingly, I am sure you probably think ancestry is VERY IMPORTANT when it comes to the Jews being the "chosen" race and probably don't mind the government sending billions of your tax dollars to Israel every year, yet like Esau in the Bible you all despise YOUR OWN birthright!!!

Such a shame...
You guys are turning this forum into a joke with your childish comments.

No wonder America is in the state it's in...
Nothing but a shadow of it's former self!!!

I guess it's all too easy just to link to someone else's article, one that you probably barely even read yourself. I guess it's too difficult to respond to me point by point on my own comments, or even point by point to the link I posted as rebuttal to your cinic.

Too bad...
Too bad you think you know it all, and anything other than what your are familiar with you simply cannot be bothered with.

Too bad God's true chosen have neglected their very own birthright and are more interested in guitars than what God has blessed them with and the responsibilities that come with that blessing. It must be easy to accuse people of things without any proof, even when they repeatedly ask you for proof and you repeartedly accuse them.

Do me a favour and at least kindly point out where a critic has addressed my points that I made in my last few posts and be specific, if you are unable to do that yourself.
Would that be little enough work for you, or is even than too strenuous?

You say "Replacement theology has been thoroughly refuted and proven false as well as indeed racist."
Many would say that creationism (either old, or young earth types) has been "thoroughly refuted" by modern science - does that mean what they say is true? (and that you are all fools as you have acussed me of being?)

Oh yes, and do humour my stupidity once more...
Why is it racist to refer to Europeans as the chosen race, but not racist to refer to the Jews as the "chosen race"?

[Philip]

OK, lost tribe - I'll bite.

it is the will of Almighty God that the ten-tribed House of Israel should be "lost", and should lose their identity until such times as He would reveal their whereabouts.

Secondly, we can say that many learned scholars over the last 150 years HAVE researched these things and published many books giving their findings and conclusions - that the "Ten Lost Tribes" now dwell in North West Europe, especially the British Isles.

Please tell me where in the Bible we're specifically told about the supposed lost (reality: dispersed and absorbed by a myriad of peoples and groups) tribes of Israel that has any specific prophetic references or importance to modern times. No, you can't do it, can you? All you can do is assemble a bunch of pseudo historical references, take a few obscure and vague Bible passages, bend some prophetic passages, and then blend them into some supposedly definitive theological teachings. This is what many cults do - they have an agenda and then they go cherry pick their supposed "proofs." At least those speculating on the various end-time scenarios are often utilizing definitive prophecies - even if they are wrong about their actual meanings and timing. But this cryptic, secret, stuff, attempting to weave a coherent narrative involving the Jews, lost tribes, Israel, where they are today, how they will be utilized in the future - it's all meaningless junk that naive people swallow - and typically, there's a dark agenda behind it that is anything but of the Lord and His teachings. And those on this board have been studying theology and Scripture for a very long time, and THAT is why we're not taking this thread seriously. The Lost Tribe Tripe is heretical and dangerous to buy into. Not to mention ANYONE who knows about genetics and the dispersion of ancient Jews, their intermarriages, absorptions by other groups, cultural destruction. Look, I could probably make some bizarre connections to being related to some major Jews via some distant ancestor - it be no more important than the Six Degrees of Separation Theory!