When a group that holds to racist beliefs has to defend their beliefs as not racist in their "Our Beliefs" section of their website, it's a pretty good indication that their beliefs are racist.
We Believe: That in the matter of personal salvation there is no distinction of race. All races are dependent upon the saving grace of the Lord Jesus.
It reminds me of a discussion I had with a native southerner when I first moved to the south. I was quite shocked by the racism I was encountering since moving here. I was waiting at my son's school to pick him up, and I struck up a conversation with a man who asked how I liked living here. Not being one who's afraid of discussing touchy subjects with complete strangers, I explained to him how I was shocked by the anti black racism in the south. There are racists up north, but this is a different type of racism. It's deeply engrained in the culture, and for some, it's just a way of life.
After carefully looking around, in a whispering voice, he said matter of factly, "I'm not racist. I have no problem with black people. As long as they keep to themselves."
He was a very polite racist. He seemed like such a nice fellow. I'm sure the orange street church members are really nice people.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
LostTribesNotLost, Thank you so much for opening my eyes! Don't listen to that RickD person as he's married outside his race. Philip...well, he lives out in the woods, so he's just wierd. And...B.W., well, B is for BLACK and W is for WHITE: that's mixed race stuff! Me? Look at my nice GERMANIC name! DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLES!
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
RickD wrote:Your speaking German reminded me of a story I heard today. A Neo nazi party in Germany demanded the addresses of all Jews.
So, did you send them your address?
FL
No, I sent them yours.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
I bet those Neo Nazis in Germany would be surprised to learn that they're all Jewish! ...Maybe we should send LostTribesNotLost over to open their eyes...
FL
Hold everything lightly. If you don't, it will hurt when God pries your fingers loose as He takes it from you. -Corrie Ten Boom
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:I bet those Neo Nazis in Germany would be surprised to learn that they're all Jewish! ...Maybe we should send LostTribesNotLost over to open their eyes...
FL
I don't think they'd be surprised at all. Wasn't one of the things that made nazis infamous, the belief that they're the chosen race? And anyone but the Aryans were inferior? I think Neo nazis and British israelism are 2 sides of the same racist coin.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
RickD wrote: Wasn't one of the things that made nazis infamous, the belief that they're the chosen race? And anyone but the Aryans were inferior? I think Neo nazis and British israelism are 2 sides of the same racist coin.
Hmmm...that sounds like heresy to me. Remember King Solomon? He was the wisest man who ever lived yet he was perverted in his later years by his many wives who worshipped foreign gods. I understand that you love your Pocahontas but she is not of our Race and must be put away.
LostTribesNotLost, please knock some sense into our Aryan Brother.
FL
Hold everything lightly. If you don't, it will hurt when God pries your fingers loose as He takes it from you. -Corrie Ten Boom
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
RickD wrote: Wasn't one of the things that made nazis infamous, the belief that they're the chosen race? And anyone but the Aryans were inferior? I think Neo nazis and British israelism are 2 sides of the same racist coin.
Hmmm...that sounds like heresy to me. Remember King Solomon? He was the wisest man who ever lived yet he was perverted in his later years by his many wives who worshipped foreign gods. I understand that you love your Pocahontas but she is not of our Race and must be put away.
LostTribesNotLost, please knock some sense into our Aryan Brother.
FL
I believe Pocahontas was a Powhatan. My wife's heritage is of French Canadian Native American descent. I'll excuse the error this time. Do it again, and you won't be invited to the grand opening of my casino.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
RickD wrote:My wife's heritage is of French Canadian Native American descent. I'll excuse the error this time. Do it again, and you won't be invited to the grand opening of my casino.
Excuse me! I know your wife's surname and she may be of the Micmac tribe; her family name is common from the lower Gaspé region, and into the Chic-choc mountains. A Micmac from the Chic chocs! In any event, the Micmacs are not one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. In a dream, I was told that you may keep your wife until your casino opens.
LostTribesNotLost, would you agree?
FL
Hold everything lightly. If you don't, it will hurt when God pries your fingers loose as He takes it from you. -Corrie Ten Boom
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
Speaking of Indians, If you were to second guess your decision to book time at a native american community, that would be a reservation reservation reservation*.
* I wonder if Dr. Hana understands english homonyms.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
I will respond to Phillip below, so Phillip please take a look.
First, befrore that, please can all of you that don't have anything costructive to post start being costructive, or leave my thread. I have no power to enforce that on here (obviously), but I would like to politely request that of you. As I have explained already , you all believe that the Jews are the chosen race and have a special purpose and yet at the same time you believe that those non-Jews who accept Christ can be saved. You believe that this is not racist, correct?
BI is only different in that it teaches the Europeans are the lost 10 tribes (and some say most of Judah as well) - i.e. the chosen race - and the non-Israelites are also saved if they accept Christ in the same way as above. Israel has a special purpose, although the others also saved through Christ. This is all the orangestreet website was trying to say - they have to say it because of what PEOPLE LIKE YOU ACCUSE THEM OF!!! If you believe that what I have to say has no meaning to you, then at least consider that it might have a profound meaning to some others and be considerate enough to let them read it without having to scroll through all your unconstructive ramblings.
To Phillip:
You asked (roughly) in your last post: what clear, unambiguous, consistant and detailed quotes are there in the Bible to show the lost tribes are lost in the end times (today).[correct me if you said something TOTALLY different]
The quotes may not be as much and as detailed as you would hope, but they are definitely consistant and detailed enough - even when taken in context - to leave a startling impression about the lost tribes and show they are lost and their other modern characteristics which are even more convincing.
I will give as many examples as possible, but to recap, as I showed already, Christ called them lost and spoke about there whereabouts outside of Palestine about 700 years after they forst became lost. (see my last 3, or 4 posts on previous pages above)
They were referred to as lost by Him, although obviously they were only lost themselves (their identity) and not lost to Christ, or the disciples who were commanded to go to them. If they can still be lost 700 hundred years after their captivity, why not 2700 years?
Besides Christ whom I quoted in Matthew already, here's another:
James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting." (your colleagues have still not addressed this as Baron said the opposite - that they rejoined Judah.)
Here are some more quotes that might interest you - read till the end as they build on each other:
Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." (i.e. The Edomite convert Jews who killed Christ. i.e. The friends of King Herod the Edomite. Not all were Edomites, but many were. Read the prophesies about Esau/Edom)
Isaiah 65:15 "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name."
Is the name 'Jew' the same name they were always known as, or another name?
I am not taking these out of context, but even if I was, how would you explain these verses and especially the one directly above?
Just to divert very quickly, the numbers too do not add up.
If the lost ten tribes rejoined with Judah as we are told by the likes of David Baron (quoted by your colleagues on this threead) the total number of Jews today would be at least ten times more than they are around the world (they are only about 20 million I believe).
Do the math starting at the time of the captivity. If you really don't find the number, I will give them to you with quotes to scripture. Then do the math using normal population birth rates to get to their numbers on the year 2014.
Isaiah 62:2 "And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name."
Very much in context I believe. The second time now their "new name" is mentioned. HARDLY A FLUKE.
Hosea 2:17 "For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name."
Still just co-incidence?
The vast majority of prophetic evidence revolves around the desriptions of future Israel - not just those desribing them as lost, or being called by a different name.
For example:
I am sure you think that Jesus came to the Jews, but in John 10:25
Jesus said to the Jews, "But ye believed me not BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP (emphasis added) as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice , and I know them, and they follow Me."
Which people are the "sheep" who knew Him and have followed Him the last 2000 years ?
Certainly not those that were all masacred by the Romans at Masada.
"Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea ... and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people, there is shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God ! " (Hosea 1:10)
Are the Jews known as the "sons of the living God?", or is it the Christians every Sunday in church?
Are the Jews told "Ye are not my people"?
All these prophets prophesied primarily about the end times - the times we now live in (roughly the last 200 years, until the next 100 years max.)
Hosea 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered"
Isaiah 49:6 "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."
Who brought Christianity to the Gentiles for the last 2000 years?
Certainly not the Talmudic Jews who have rejected Christ all those centuries.
Please can all of you that don't have anything costructive to post start being costructive, or leave my thread.
Moderators, I am putting this on record. Please assist.
To end:
Some scholars contend the House of Joseph, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, was re-united with the House of Judah shortly after the Babylonian Captivity of Judah was ended (537 BCE).
1st Century Jewish scholar Flavius Josephus would beg to differ in his book:
Antiquities of the Jews - When Esdras had received this epistle, he was very joyful, and began to worship God, and confessed that he had been the cause of the king's great favor to him, and that for the same reason he gave all the thanks to God. So he read the epistle at Babylon to those Jews that were there; but he kept the epistle itself, and sent a copy of it to all those of his own nation that were in Media. And when these Jews had understood what piety the king had towards God, and what kindness he had for Esdras, they were all greatly pleased; nay, many of them took their effects with them, and came to Babylon, as very desirous of going down to Jerusalem; but then the entire body of the people of Israel remained in that country; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the <strong>Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.
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Since LTNL politely asked for only constructive posts, I'll oblige. For those who are interested in knowing why BI is biblically false, historically false, and racist, here's an in-depth article explaining why. Beware, it's quite long.
I hope this helps in some way. Especially for those caught up in the BI cult.
And LostTribesNotLost, if you want to comment on it, go for it.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
