What proofs do you have that God exists?

d00d · Post by **d00d** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:34 pm

If you were to convince a friend that God exists, what would you tell him? I mean, not the "life is beautifull" thing but more like an experience or something very "un.doubtfull" or very physical, something you cannot doubt.

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:58 pm

I'd say I believe God has provided clear evidence of Himself through what has been created, but if he doesn't want to believe then that is his free decision. I don't think there is anything one can say to convince anyone of God's existence. I think any change in worldviews, such as from Atheist to Theism, is a process and not an instant.

Kurieuo.

Deborah · Post by **Deborah** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:18 pm

Proof smooff! we don't need hard core proof!
the only proof we require is in our hearts, and is our growing faith.

Faith is the most beautiful thing when it is nurchured and cared for it blossoms and grows.

I see proof of his existance all around me. I see laws that man just can't come up with himself because man doesn't care enough. By nature we are selfish. It is our selfishness, greed and lack of love that seperates us from understanding all the LORD god is.

AttentionKMartShoppers · Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:11 pm

Big Bang. Consciousness. Our moral nature. Self-awareness. Evil (which is actually evidence for God, to your surprise). The fine tuning in the universe (or the fine tuning in the universe factory in the multiverse theory, which is nothing but a metaphysical escape hatch that atheists have attempted to employ). Jesus Christ's words, His deeds, His life, His death, and the fact that three days later, His disciples were instilled with the desire to preach that He had risen, and were willing to die for this grand claim. The fact that most philosophies that try to ignore God-require belief in God.

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:54 pm

Deborah wrote:Proof smooff! we don't need hard core proof!
the only proof we require is in our hearts, and is our growing faith.

Faith is the most beautiful thing when it is nurchured and cared for it blossoms and grows.

I see proof of his existance all around me. I see laws that man just can't come up with himself because man doesn't care enough. By nature we are selfish. It is our selfishness, greed and lack of love that seperates us from understanding all the LORD god is.

So you would agree with me if I said that an athiest denies her or his heart and spirituality?

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Big Bang. Consciousness. Our moral nature. Self-awareness. Evil (which is actually evidence for God, to your surprise). The fine tuning in the universe (or the fine tuning in the universe factory in the multiverse theory, which is nothing but a metaphysical escape hatch that atheists have attempted to employ). Jesus Christ's words, His deeds, His life, His death, and the fact that three days later, His disciples were instilled with the desire to preach that He had risen, and were willing to die for this grand claim. The fact that most philosophies that try to ignore God-require belief in God.

I am more inclined to agree with Kurieuo.

Deborah · Post by **Deborah** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:07 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
So you would agree with me if I said that an athiest denies her or his heart and spirituality?

I agree they have ignored the measure of faith that each of us was provided with. So yes they are denying their heart and spirituality.
They do not even reconize the possablility of god.

TimM1104 · Post by **TimM1104** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:43 pm

Truthfully, the biggest proof to me, is what god has done in me, and people you know... Me myself ive grown up knowing god existance, but the feeling ihave, the closeness to him, the peace i get from just thinking about him and talking to him... that is proof...

AttentionKMartShoppers · Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:56 pm

Goodsake, it all depends on what you'd consider proof.

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:16 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Goodsake, it all depends on what you'd consider proof.

Let us agree to disagree then.
=)

AttentionKMartShoppers · Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:24 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Goodsake, it all depends on what you'd consider proof.
Let us agree to disagree then.
=)

proof ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prf)
n.
The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

Agree on that as a good definition of proof?

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:27 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Goodsake, it all depends on what you'd consider proof.
Let us agree to disagree then.
=)
proof ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prf)
n.
The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

Agree on that as a good definition of proof?

Yes I do.
So let me pose this question.
Do you, as a christian accept the Koran as proof?

AttentionKMartShoppers · Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:43 pm

Do I accept the Koran as proof of what? Of the moon god Allah's poor mathematical skills? Yes.

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:52 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Do I accept the Koran as proof of what? Of the moon god Allah's poor mathematical skills? Yes.

Am I correct it interpreting the above as ridicule?

If so then that is my point that proof for one is nonsence for another.

AttentionKMartShoppers · Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:13 pm

Because what should be proof in the Koran? In the Koran, Muhammed goes around, claiming to be a prophet, and when someone asks for proof through miracles, all he ever does is tell them to go read a verse in the Koran-only in the Hadith, which came centuries after Muhammed, do you see any miracles...and what do miracles have to do anything? The are proof they are messengers of God. Muhammed's miracles are all myth and legend (unlike in Christianity, Jesus' miracles appear at the very beginning...they aren't hatched up centuries later).

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:36 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Because what should be proof in the Koran? In the Koran, Muhammed goes around, claiming to be a prophet, and when someone asks for proof through miracles, all he ever does is tell them to go read a verse in the Koran-only in the Hadith, which came centuries after Muhammed, do you see any miracles...and what do miracles have to do anything? The are proof they are messengers of God. Muhammed's miracles are all myth and legend (unlike in Christianity, Jesus' miracles appear at the very beginning...they aren't hatched up centuries later).

I have unfortunately not much energy left for this conversation, perhaps I can persuade a muslim friend of mine equally as convicted as you appear to argue with you. I am sure that the discussion will never end as he would spend as much of his time as you arguing against the validity of the bible.

But you miss the point, Jesus doesn't want you to waste your time arguing the finer points, you win peoples hearts through living as Jesus would have, live by example.