Forgiveness for demons?

[LittleHamster]

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Advice of the day: Stay away from Demons !


http://www.demonbuster.com/

[Mallz]

I was completely wrong. This is a song of humanity screaming out to God in our perverted state. That explains it fully.

[RickD]

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Advice of the day: Stay away from Demons !


http://www.demonbuster.com/

Is this website a joke? I can't tell if they're serious, or trying to be funny. For instance, is this serious?

BOYCE and BOICE are two demons that interfere with any electronic equipment, i.e., phone, computer, printer, automobile, etc. If something malfunctions, command these two demons to leave your equipment, in the name of Jesus. We get many emails saying this worked. If it does not work, demons are not causing the problem.

[Philip]

the demons continue to exploit and game God's nature and goodness in order to entrap God to act contrary to who and what God is - GOD. This is done with the intent to prove God is not God absolute so that they end up ruling over God. So a debate as this is but one example of how demons seek to play God's mercy against itself in order to entrap God through human agents.

For all of the understandings that the demonic is exceedingly clever and we must always be on guard against its schemes, it also strikes me as being incredibly deluded and just plain stupid - as one would imagine they would by now realize that they are powerless over God, that their fate is sealed, that they know that their strategies to bring Him down will never work because they CAN'T ever work. They, even more than we, well know God is all powerful and sovereign over all of His creations - fallen and saved. They have brilliantly deceived themselves, perhaps, most of all.

[LittleHamster]

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http://www.demonbuster.com/

Is this website a joke? I can't tell if they're serious, or trying to be funny. For instance, is this serious?

BOYCE and BOICE are two demons that interfere with any electronic equipment, i.e., phone, computer, printer, automobile, etc. If something malfunctions, command these two demons to leave your equipment, in the name of Jesus. We get many emails saying this worked. If it does not work, demons are not causing the problem.

He, I sort of thought the same thing when I read it. The site is meant to be taken seriously though.

It does, at least, make you wonder about what's behind all the problems in this world.

[Starhunter]

Starhunter wrote
http://www.gilead.net/egw/books/misc/Pa ... itted-.htm
FYI, Ellen G White was a false prophet.

Thanks Rick, if you can point out what is unscriptural in the link above, please let me know, as I am very interested in reading more on this prophet called false by the bulk of established religions.

[Mallz]

Thanks Rick, if you can point out what is unscriptural in the link above, please let me know, as I am very interested in reading more on this prophet called false by the bulk of established religions.

I'll leave Rick to answer this, as I would like to know what was un-scriptural about the page in the link you sent me (if it is at all), which I found informative. The best disinformationalist will tell the truth 98% of the time. It's the last 2% of deadly misinformation that can change the whole message.

Also, does anyone have any further information about the workings of the spiritual world? I'm finding this a hard subject to research.

[neo-x]

Hi Mallz, if I may, what are you researching on in particular on the subject of spiritual world?

[Mallz]

Hey, Neo!

I'd like to know a couple things that all relate to each other. Such as 1) any revealed laws that govern the spiritual world. 2) I'd like to have a much more in-depth understanding between the relation of physical and spiritual and spiritual and physical. And 3) Knowledge of the spiritual realm in a social context.

I've been able to look up some laws, and, really some of all three of the points I'm looking for. But nothing that satisfies. Plus I want to make sure it's from God.

[Mallz]

It does, at least, make you wonder about what's behind all the problems in this world

To keep on track with this thread..

satan is in rule of this world with his demons. Yes, we have a sinful nature. But add our sinful nature with the legions of demons working to tear as many humans away from El-Shaddai as possible and we have our predicament. It's pretty horrific, don't you think?

[PaulSacramento]

I have never been convinced of the whole "satan is the ruler of this world" thing.
Never made any sense to me.
God creates this world then just gives it to Satan and His fallen angels?
Where in the bible does it state that God has given this world for satan to rule?

Now, we know that Christ said that Satan is the god of this world but was that an explicit claim? and when he says "this world" what does Jesus mean?

I recall reading one view that Satan ( or more correctly The Satan- the (fallen) angel we know him by) was given what would become the Roman Empire as His nation when God divided the 70 nations between the "sons of God".
The Roman Empire was know as the "whole world" in the NT ( not Luke and August's census of the "whole world", or Paul thinking that when he reached Spain that the gospel would have been spread to the end of the "whole world").
I think that when Jesus commented that Satan was the ruler od this world, the God of this world, He meant the "whole world" as know to His audience: the Roman Empire.

[Jac3510]

I have never been convinced of the whole "satan is the ruler of this world" thing.
Never made any sense to me.

Really?

• Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. (2 Cor 4:4)
  
  Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. (John 12:31, which you referenced)

You might find this article helpful in looking at just what all that means. Clearly Satan's rule is not absolute, but scriptural language is pretty clear on the matter at least in terms of the basic proposition. I, for one, don't think it is sufficient to limit Jesus' comments to the Roman Empire, since John later writes that "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19).* Again, probably better to work on understanding how and to what extent Satan rules this world rather than trying to find a way to deny that he actually does.

*edit: besides, I don't think the word "world" ever refers to "the Roman Empire" . . . that's something of a linguistic stretch, to put it mildly.

[PaulSacramento]

I have never been convinced of the whole "satan is the ruler of this world" thing.
Never made any sense to me.

Really?

• Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. (2 Cor 4:4)
  
  Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. (John 12:31, which you referenced)

You might find this article helpful in looking at just what all that means. Clearly Satan's rule is not absolute, but scriptural language is pretty clear on the matter at least in terms of the basic proposition. I, for one, don't think it is sufficient to limit Jesus' comments to the Roman Empire, since John later writes that "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19).* Again, probably better to work on understanding how and to what extent Satan rules this world rather than trying to find a way to deny that he actually does.

*edit: besides, I don't think the word "world" ever refers to "the Roman Empire" . . . that's something of a linguistic stretch, to put it mildly.

The "world" never refers to the roman empire?

Luke 2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Jesus’ Birth in Bethlehem
2 Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth.

Pretty sure "all the inhabited earth" means the Roman Empire.

In Romans 1:8 when Paul says:
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.

We know he didn't mean the entire planet and we know that, at the time, the Gospel was being preached pretty much in all the Roman empire.

As for the " god of this world" and "prince of this world", I have no problem in Jesus meaning the WHOLE world of course, BUT I am open to the possibility that he meant the Roman Empire in specific at the time.

[LittleHamster]

It does, at least, make you wonder about what's behind all the problems in this world

To keep on track with this thread..

satan is in rule of this world with his demons. Yes, we have a sinful nature. But add our sinful nature with the legions of demons working to tear as many humans away from El-Shaddai as possible and we have our predicament. It's pretty horrific, don't you think?

I reckon this quote comes close.....

"This is no ordinary War, to be judged and fought on the principles of the historic conflicts of the past. This war is Armageddon, or to use a common phrase, a totalitarian struggle waged not only by the force of Arms on earth, but carried on in full intensity within the spirits, minds and hearts of people everywhere, soldiers and civilians alike. It is a stupendous and almost universal wrestling match to the death between the forces of darkness and the Power of Light – between the demons and God, both sides working through human channels. Our adversaries are possessed by the full potency of the spiritual powers of darkness and are using and being used by them. On our side we have not yet put on the full armour of God."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellesley_Tudor_Pole

[Jac3510]

I have never been convinced of the whole "satan is the ruler of this world" thing.
Never made any sense to me.

Really?

• Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. (2 Cor 4:4)
  
  Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. (John 12:31, which you referenced)

You might find this article helpful in looking at just what all that means. Clearly Satan's rule is not absolute, but scriptural language is pretty clear on the matter at least in terms of the basic proposition. I, for one, don't think it is sufficient to limit Jesus' comments to the Roman Empire, since John later writes that "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19).* Again, probably better to work on understanding how and to what extent Satan rules this world rather than trying to find a way to deny that he actually does.

*edit: besides, I don't think the word "world" ever refers to "the Roman Empire" . . . that's something of a linguistic stretch, to put it mildly.

The "world" never refers to the roman empire?

Luke 2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Jesus’ Birth in Bethlehem
2 Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth.

Pretty sure "all the inhabited earth" means the Roman Empire.

In Romans 1:8 when Paul says:
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.

We know he didn't mean the entire planet and we know that, at the time, the Gospel was being preached pretty much in all the Roman empire.

As for the " god of this world" and "prince of this world", I have no problem in Jesus meaning the WHOLE world of course, BUT I am open to the possibility that he meant the Roman Empire in specific at the time.

If semantics matter, the word in Luke is different from the word Jesus and Paul used. I stand by my original comment.