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You are the one with "racist rants" who is "twisting scripture".B. W. wrote: Song 5:10 "My beloved is dazzling (bright as in energetic) and ruddy (brown as in skin color), Outstanding among ten thousand." NASB
After reading Lost's post and odd quote from the KJV of Song 5:10 KJV regading the word translated white - well - stick with the original word meanings and context and not racist rants that twist the scripture...
The Beloved had brown skin color and the reference to white concerns his male energy or testosterone induced energy that the Song of Solomon indicates between a bride and bride groom...
Lost, I work with Native Americans and their skin tone is brown, not red. Only an Anglo Saxon who has been out in the sun far to long turns red and that red is called sunburn and is very unpleasant.LostTribesNotLost wrote:You are the one with "racist rants" who is "twisting scripture".B. W. wrote: Song 5:10 "My beloved is dazzling (bright as in energetic) and ruddy (brown as in skin color), Outstanding among ten thousand." NASB
After reading Lost's post and odd quote from the KJV of Song 5:10 KJV regading the word translated white - well - stick with the original word meanings and context and not racist rants that twist the scripture...
The Beloved had brown skin color and the reference to white concerns his male energy or testosterone induced energy that the Song of Solomon indicates between a bride and bride groom...
Anti-white "racist rants" I might add - by denying true, original Biblical descriptions of the ancient Israelites.
Nowhere in the NASB version of the Bible does it say: "brown as in skin colour".
Not only that, but anyone knows the English definition of ruddy is: red, or rosy complexion - NOT BROWN!!!
Get a new, or old English dictionary and see for yourself!!!
HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH CAN 'RUDDY' MEAN 'BROWN'?!!!
IF THAT IS NOT DISTORTING SCRIPTURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!
Before I go into the original Hebrew words and definitions, let me remind you that although not perfect, the 1611 KJV preceded the NASB (as well as hate speech laws and political correctness and the civil rights movement which more modern Bibles adhere to via their perversions of scripture). Many modern versions of the Bible have used the pretext of "better understandings", in more "modern English" language in order to distort the truth. This of course, besides being nti-white and racist has many advantages for them. For example, by painting ancient Israel as a mixed race people, it makes the Bible "appeal to a wider audience". Much like politicians do to get more votes.
Here is the proof:
While the word 'white' in the KJV can be translated "dazzling" in the original Hebrew, the original Hebrew definition ALSO says 'white' (and it also says 'bright').
(Pure logic should tell you in any case, that the colour brown, cannot be "bright" and "dazzling" - not like the colour white)
PS - The word 'brown' does NOT appear in this verse in the NASB bible, the KJV, or even any Hebrew definition.
So you are being extremely dishonest here by implying that!!!
The original Hebrew word for 'white' in this verse is:
6703 Tsach...; from 6705; dazzling, i.e. sunny, bright, (fig.) evident: clear, dry, plainly, white.
6705 Tsachach...; a prim root; to glare, i.e. be dazzling white:- be whiter.
[Source: Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew Chaldee and Greek dictionaries. (2 inch thick, maroon colour, print edition). By James Strong, S.T.D., LL.D. Riverside Book and Bible House, Iowa Falls, Iowa]
i.e So white in body, so as to dazzle!!!
I say 'in body', because 'ruddy' here clearly means in body (as proven below) and this would seem to indicate that 'dazzling white' would also be in body. (not "energetic" as you claim.)
Ruddy, a., & v.t. & i. (Of face or its owner) freshly or healthily red, rosy, (r. health, youth, &c., marked by ruddiness); (of light, fire, sky, object lighted up, &c., also in animal names as r.plover, squirrel) reddish; (slang) bloody, damnable; hence ru.ddily2 adv., ru.ddiness n. (Vb) make or grow r. [OE rudig(rud see RUDD,-Y2]
[Source: The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English, Third edition, 1934]
I suspect modern dictionaries will give a similiar definition.
The Hebrew definition / translation:
Ruddy is translated: 122 'adom aw-dome'; from 119; rosy:-red, ruddy.
119 'adam, aw-dawm'; to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy: be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).
[Source: Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew Chaldee and Greek dictionaries. (2 inch thick, maroon colour, print edition). By James Strong, S.T.D., LL.D. Riverside Book and Bible House, Iowa Falls, Iowa]
You will notice that when you look up the word 'Adam' in Hebrew (as in Adam and Eve) you will also get 119 as per above. (Strongs Concordance numbers each word of the Bible with unique numbers next to the full definition of the word.)
Who is the one with "racist rants" now?
It is the epitome of racism to distort words of the Bible to hide white racial charactaristics and then on top of that, to then accuse someone else of making "racist rants" by quoting those same verses in their true, original, undistorted form.
1over137, I agree not to denounce the books of Paul as a lie any further - even if I have proof of that. (proof in my opinion, which may not be proof in your opinion).
What is the punishment for deliberately distorting words from the Bible like BW is trying to do above?
Simple, there are no actual red people out there in the world. The word Ruddy is used to denote the Red Heifer in Numbers 19:2. In 2 Kings 3:22, the Moabites saw the waters as blood Red (Ruddy) from the sun shining upon it. So the word Ruddy in the Hebrew denotes anything with a red hue in it. I was making a point, I have never seen any person whose skin tone was truly the color Red. Have you?LostTribesNotLost wrote:...B.W. your reply to my post above has been weak at best and you have ignored key points I have made in disproving your made up ideas of the book of Song of Solomon.
You have still not explained where you get the word 'brown' from and how 'ruddy' can mean 'brown' - without any evidence!!!
The KJV was not my evidence, but rather the original Hebrew translation using Strong's concordance was what I used to verify what the KJV was saying in that particular verse. The KJV - in that particular verse - was not mistranslated at all. Any version of the Bible can be checked for accuracy in translation by translating the verse into the original Hebrew text using a reliable source like Strong's concordance and that is purely what I have done. However you seem to be making things up as you go along - and we are just supposed to accept what you are saying to be true - without any evidence at all!!!
Lastly, I never said Native Americans have a red skin tone (I don't know where you get that from).
White people, especially the youth, can and do often have a rosy complexion, without being sunburnt - so you are stretching the truth once again here - without any evidence.
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
Sounds like some theological conclusion that Henry VIII would have come to. And what a pragmatist, that fellow: "Let's see, the Pope won't give me a divorce; And vast sums are leaving England for his Roman coffers... I KNOW what to do!" Two birds and one stone, etc.Well, I needed a good laugh and Lost's last post sure gave me one!
That is a classic! A Ruddy Classic...
Not your fault Rick - it actually shows how wacky British Israelism really is!
Who ever thought that Solomon was writing about the British?
Thanks Rick, it was quite suffocating reading his posts. I was actually going to post that we should probably show him the door. Lol.RickD wrote:Well Mr. LostTribes,
Congratulations! This last post has won you a 1 week vacation! We are so enamored by your last post, that we are in the process of making your vacation permanent.
To everyone here who had to put up with this garbage, I personally apologize. Against my better judgement, I was the one who chose to approve the original post by LostTribes.
Don't worry Melanie, we know. LostTribes has misrepresented pretty much everyone here.melanie wrote:Wowsers, how did I get dragged into this? Just to clarify I have never accussed anyone on here of such a thing!
Anyways I hope everyone had a great Christmas and New Year
