Does Evolution and Science draw people away from God?

[Danieltwotwenty]

Thank you Rick, you're making a liar of me.

Seriously though, I do appreciate all the mods hard work here on this forum, keeping it a safe place for genuine discussion.

[Starhunter]

I Timothy 6:20-21 KJV
"...Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called; Which some professing have erred concerning the faith..."

In Revelation 21:27 KJV

I have edited my post accordingly.

[abelcainsbrother]

The bottom line is you can put your faith in God's word or man's word.creation is in God's word and evolution is not in God's word,evolution would violate how God created life to produce after its kind,according to this dinosaurs could never change over time to be a bird,also the bible tells us God created man in his image which means he was not a monkey,Jesus was in human form not monkey,ape,primate,etc.But even if God's word will not change your mind there is no evidence in science that can prove,demonstrate or show one kind of life evolves into another kind so you must belief it by faith and assumption without knowing for sure. Jesus taught in one of his parables that it only takes a little yeast to effect the whole batch,also Jesus warned of false teachers and false prophets and deception so that the very elect of God could be deceived and evolution is one of many deceptions in these last days with false teachers and false prophets teaching it.Jesus said " Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that procedeth out of the mouth of God" so where is evolution in God's word? If God's word will not make you change your mind or repent then,what will?

[Danieltwotwenty]

The Bible doesn't say how God created, it is quite vague on the subject. God's word is not restricted to the Bible and the natural world is also the word of God, so the theory of evolution is a doctrine of God's natural word. If you think it is the word of man then fine but you have to lump the Bible (because it is written by men) and your doctrines (including your creation theories which are postulated by men) all into the same category. ACB is guilty of the same crimes as he says we are, seems a little hypocritical to me.

[abelcainsbrother]

I have dealt mostly with atheists when it comes to evolution and some of the things I've noticed is that they mock God's word and make it out to be hard to believe but they overlook that it is much harder and requires way more faith on their part to believe life evolves than to believe God created the life in this world to produce after its kind which even they see and observe meanwhile they have never seen or observed any life evolving or changing from one kind of life into another kind of life.And I go in as a sheep amongst wolves and all I have to say is give scientific evidence that life evolves and not one can or has been able to give any.It requires less faith to believe anything in the bible,any story in the bible than to believe life evolves.

[abelcainsbrother]

The Bible doesn't say how God created, it is quite vague on the subject. God's word is not restricted to the Bible and the natural world is also the word of God, so the theory of evolution is a doctrine of God's natural word. If you think it is the word of man then fine but you have to lump the Bible (because it is written by men) and your doctrines (including your creation theories which are postulated by men) all into the same category. ACB is guilty of the same crimes as he says we are, seems a little hypocritical to me.

Stop trying to get me in trouble with the Mod's if you have truth on your side you won't need their help,this thread is about evolution and if it draws man away from God and many Christians disagree with you,you don't have to take it personal and when you do it is a sign of weakness,not strength.I do not judge you or any person's salvation but just because a person is saved does not mean he can't be wrong.I am a gap theorist and I actually like to being challenged on it and if somebody can ever show me biblically why I am wrong,I will change my mind,so far, not one has

[Philip]

What can draw people away, or rather, can work as a blockage to faith, is IMPROPERLY understood science, as in, a wrongful certainty that some widely accepted scientific understanding contradicts or APPEARS to contradict the actuality of things scientific. And so the question becomes: Are our analysis and methodology accurate or not? Or, do we perhaps somehow misunderstand and/or misapply them? Or is it that we have certain scientific aspects correct but have misunderstood and/or misapplied the Biblical text - or perhaps a combination of such errors have been made. We are, after all, finite, mortal men attempting to perfectly discern the truth of events in the far distant past, orchestrated and controlled by an all-powerful God. And so, anyone absolutely convinced of a critical Scriptural or scientific point that sees one of these fields contradicting of whatever understandings they hold of the other field is going to lose faith in that other field. Certainly, wrong or wrongly understood science that at least appears to contradict Scripture can make one doubt the Bible. But we have to be very careful about what we think we are certain of with EITHER science or Scripture!

I will say that if we say that Scripture is historically untrue, then this is a very dangerous position, which obviously leads to concluding that parts of the Bible are merely from the minds and imaginations of men - and, of course that leads to having to determine which parts are God-breathed and which are not. Not to mention the implication that God is not truly sovereign and can't protect HIs Holy Word - which, by the way, Christ died for the fulfillment of.

[Danieltwotwenty]

Stop trying to get me in trouble with the Mod's if you have truth on your side you won't need their help

I have never tried to get the mods to censor you (I am sure you are quite capable of doing that on your own), if they decide to do that according to the forum rules then all well and good, I don't agree with you type of argumentation tactics and I don't think they are good for a discussion forum.

this thread is about evolution and if it draws man away from God and many Christians disagree with you

Many also agree with me, how is this of any consequence, all it is, is argumentum ad populum which is faulty reasoning. I disagree with you also and just simply stated that, I don't know why you are attacking me personally now.

,you don't have to take it personal and when you do it is a sign of weakness,not strength.

I haven't taken anything you have said personally at all, I have heard all these arguments many times before and have developed a thick skin over the years and as I stated in another thread there are reasons why people get emotional and I have admitted I used to, but now I realise the reasons why and I can now divorce myself from feeling like that.

I do not judge you or any person's salvation but just because a person is saved does not mean he can't be wrong.

I never said you did specifically, in other threads I was talking more in general, it was Mel who bought you into the subject, so we used you as an example. This is why I wish Mel didn't bring you into it as it just colours the issue and detracts from the general idea of destructive behaviour, but what is done is done.

I am a gap theorist and I actually like to being challenged on it and if somebody can ever show me biblically why I am wrong,I will change my mind,so far, not one has

Prove "you" wrong, you cannot prove wrong a person who doesn't accept the "words" of men. It's funny though and quite revealing that you said prove why I am wrong, should it not be prove why God's word says such and such, seems to me you are admitting it is just your interpretation and is just the words of a man, which as you say cannot be trusted.

[neo-x]

The bottom line is you can put your faith in God's word or man's word.creation is in God's word and evolution is not in God's word,evolution would violate how God created life to produce after its kind,according to this dinosaurs could never change over time to be a bird,also the bible tells us God created man in his image which means he was not a monkey,Jesus was in human form not monkey,ape,primate,etc.But even if God's word will not change your mind there is no evidence in science that can prove,demonstrate or show one kind of life evolves into another kind so you must belief it by faith and assumption without knowing for sure. Jesus taught in one of his parables that it only takes a little yeast to effect the whole batch,also Jesus warned of false teachers and false prophets and deception so that the very elect of God could be deceived and evolution is one of many deceptions in these last days with false teachers and false prophets teaching it.Jesus said " Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that procedeth out of the mouth of God" so where is evolution in God's word? If God's word will not make you change your mind or repent then,what will?

Are we to be insulted over and over again until we repent of evolution?

[neo-x]

Stop trying to get me in trouble with the Mod's if you have truth on your side you won't need their help

I have never tried to get the mods to censor you (I am sure you are quite capable of doing that on your own), if they decide to do that according to the forum rules then all well and good, I don't agree with you type of argumentation tactics and I don't think they are good for a discussion forum.

this thread is about evolution and if it draws man away from God and many Christians disagree with you

Many also agree with me, how is this of any consequence, all it is, is argumentum ad populum which is faulty reasoning. I disagree with you also and just simply stated that, I don't know why you are attacking me personally now.

,you don't have to take it personal and when you do it is a sign of weakness,not strength.

I haven't taken anything you have said personally at all, I have heard all these arguments many times before and have developed a thick skin over the years and as I stated in another thread there are reasons why people get emotional and I have admitted I used to, but now I realise the reasons why and I can now divorce myself from feeling like that.

I do not judge you or any person's salvation but just because a person is saved does not mean he can't be wrong.

I never said you did specifically, in other threads I was talking more in general, it was Mel who bought you into the subject, so we used you as an example. This is why I wish Mel didn't bring you into it as it just colours the issue and detracts from the general idea of destructive behaviour, but what is done is done.

I am a gap theorist and I actually like to being challenged on it and if somebody can ever show me biblically why I am wrong,I will change my mind,so far, not one has

Prove "you" wrong, you cannot prove wrong a person who doesn't accept the "words" of men. It's funny though and quite revealing that you said prove why I am wrong, should it not be prove why God's word says such and such, seems to me you are admitting it is just your interpretation and is just the words of a man, which as you say cannot be trusted.

very well said, Dan.

[1over137]

To answer the topic question too

I was drawn by studying science.
Glad I chose for physics. Lol

I hope y'all are enjoying the Sunday, brothers and sisters.

[neo-x]

To answer the topic question too

I was drawn by studying science.
Glad I chose for physics. Lol

I hope y'all are enjoying the Sunday, brothers and sisters.

I am. thank you. wishing you the same.

[abelcainsbrother]

The bottom line is you can put your faith in God's word or man's word.creation is in God's word and evolution is not in God's word,evolution would violate how God created life to produce after its kind,according to this dinosaurs could never change over time to be a bird,also the bible tells us God created man in his image which means he was not a monkey,Jesus was in human form not monkey,ape,primate,etc.But even if God's word will not change your mind there is no evidence in science that can prove,demonstrate or show one kind of life evolves into another kind so you must belief it by faith and assumption without knowing for sure. Jesus taught in one of his parables that it only takes a little yeast to effect the whole batch,also Jesus warned of false teachers and false prophets and deception so that the very elect of God could be deceived and evolution is one of many deceptions in these last days with false teachers and false prophets teaching it.Jesus said " Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that procedeth out of the mouth of God" so where is evolution in God's word? If God's word will not make you change your mind or repent then,what will?

Are we to be insulted over and over again until we repent of evolution?

How have I insulted you or anybody?I never attack anybody personally like what happens to me,I just make my points according to the word of God and science.What I believe has been called silliness,my debate tactics are challenged and yet I just ignore it and back my self up with scripture and science,if you are feeling insulted then I don't see how.I disagree according to both the bible and science about evolution but that should not insult you.

As Christians I think it is important to repent or change our mind,on our own if God's word shows that we are wrong,sadly it seems many will not change their mind,I will,and have many times as a Christian.In my biblical study and my research I strive to " Let God be true and every man a liar." If a person approaches it from this perspective their mind will be changed according to God's word and man's opinions and truth.

I almost feel like this thread was a set up for those who disagree with evolution and things science teaches us to feel offended and insulted when people disagree and then explain why according to the bible and science they disagree.I have simply explained why I disagree with evolution.Are you feeling conviction or something?

[Danieltwotwenty]

I repented of Gap theory, Y.E.C, O.E.C and Framework because God convicted me through his word and spirit that evolution is true, now does that now invalidate ACB's beliefs?

I think people get frustrated with ACB because he will not answer valid questions that are posed to him about his position, the same question has been asked of him three times and he is yet to defend it, Jac even challenged Gap theory directly and he is yet to respond to it. ACB says he wants us to challenge his beliefs but when do, all we get is crickets, I wonder what that is??

Edit. Just want to point out that I am not frustrated, I feel quite neutral about it all, if anything I find it all quite amusing and somewhat interesting, human psychology has always intrigued me.

[abelcainsbrother]

I repented of Gap theory, Y.E.C, O.E.C and Framework because God convicted me through his word and spirit that evolution is true, now does that now invalidate ACB's beliefs?

I think people get frustrated with ACB because he will not answer valid questions that are posed to him about his position, the same questions has been asked of him three times and he is yet to defend it, Jac even challenged Gap theory directly and he is yet to respond to it. ACB says he wants us to challenge his beliefs but when do all we get is crickets, I wonder what that is??

I have actually enjoyed my exchanges with Jac and if I have not responded I will.I repented of YEC and it took me along time to accept the gap theory,as for evolution I rejected it and would reject it even if I was not a creationist based on the evidence for evolution,so evolution is out before I even examined other creation theories based on a lack of scientific evidence that shows,demonstrates or proves life evolves,there is none.

Also claiming evolution is just "change over time"is just evolution apologetics because evolution is one kind of life changing over time,evolving into another kind of life,for which science has no evidence that demonstrates it and this is why evolution is just "change over time"is used.It is not what evolution teaches,it is a watered down version of what evolution is and represents as scientific truth.I do not see why people can know evolution happened over such long periods of time that it cannot be observed and yet accept it on blind faith,then in some instance actually try to make it fit into the bible,sorry but science does not get a pass from me,especially when evolution is taught as a scientific truth in our society.