Interesting theory: God created randomness
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
If God is infinite wouldn't that entail being randomness, why would God create randomness when he is infinitely random himself? Just a thought I thought I would throw out there.
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
There is balance too, when any infinite item is introduced to our reasoning.
So on one hand we have infinite possibilities, and on the other hand we have a precise and predictable outcome.
I see it this way, when you watch an ant colony that's working well without any disasters, we have every ant doing what he wants, and as individuals or a colony, they get in everywhere, up trees, under ground, in houses, bins, carcasses, cars, and even aircraft. so they have quite a life style as far as freedom goes, but they are in a colony, which has a specific location and conditions which they call home.
God opens up the random end and balances it with a homing end, or a place of attraction. Using these two, there is a perfect result that caters for all.
How does this work with biological diversity and atomic behavior? With animals and plants, they have preferences among the many options. With molecules, they have many physical options, but prefer to follow the path of least resistance.
Both the worlds show specific characteristics and behaviors, there is predictability and precision, and at the same time, flexibility, randomness and variety.
So on one hand we have infinite possibilities, and on the other hand we have a precise and predictable outcome.
I see it this way, when you watch an ant colony that's working well without any disasters, we have every ant doing what he wants, and as individuals or a colony, they get in everywhere, up trees, under ground, in houses, bins, carcasses, cars, and even aircraft. so they have quite a life style as far as freedom goes, but they are in a colony, which has a specific location and conditions which they call home.
God opens up the random end and balances it with a homing end, or a place of attraction. Using these two, there is a perfect result that caters for all.
How does this work with biological diversity and atomic behavior? With animals and plants, they have preferences among the many options. With molecules, they have many physical options, but prefer to follow the path of least resistance.
Both the worlds show specific characteristics and behaviors, there is predictability and precision, and at the same time, flexibility, randomness and variety.
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I like your anthill analogy SH.
I don't think random is still a proper term, though. I like 'homing end' better. More like, countless potentials waiting to be actualized. And an infinity that can spring from Elohim, but all serve some purpose. And even though infinity might lead to an idea of randomness, as you said, we are in a specific location with conditions in which we work and live in. Random assumes no guidance. I don't see any evidence of nothing being guided
I don't think random is still a proper term, though. I like 'homing end' better. More like, countless potentials waiting to be actualized. And an infinity that can spring from Elohim, but all serve some purpose. And even though infinity might lead to an idea of randomness, as you said, we are in a specific location with conditions in which we work and live in. Random assumes no guidance. I don't see any evidence of nothing being guided
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
How does God guide the universe?
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Through Himself and the creations He uses to maintain order. For example..
Laws describe natures of His order that are fundamental for existence (from physical to metaphysical and beyond)
Humanity exists to be in communion with Elohim, and maintaining moral and social order among many others.
Elohim is existence and through His existence, all other existing things make the base for other existing things as well as maintaining existence. Uh... that make sense?
Laws describe natures of His order that are fundamental for existence (from physical to metaphysical and beyond)
Humanity exists to be in communion with Elohim, and maintaining moral and social order among many others.
Elohim is existence and through His existence, all other existing things make the base for other existing things as well as maintaining existence. Uh... that make sense?
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Better answer..: Love!!How does God guide the universe?
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
So what does randomness have to do with Love? And does randomness have a part in guiding the universe?
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
Yes, infinity would have to include infinite randomness, as well as infinite order wouldn't it? a paradox we might say, just like justice and mercy, the two elements of love combined in God's character.Danieltwotwenty wrote:If God is infinite wouldn't that entail being randomness, why would God create randomness when he is infinitely random himself? Just a thought I thought I would throw out there.
Whatever God's character is, will be reflected in His works, just like a famous painting is identified with the artist.
So if randomness is part of infinite capability, then randomness will appear in the universe.
What does that randomness do and what are its products?
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I don't believe in 'randomness'.
And the universe (not randomness) is guided by love.
And the universe (not randomness) is guided by love.
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Do you think randomness is part of love or not?Mallz wrote:I don't believe in 'randomness'.
And the universe (not randomness) is guided by love.
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
I suppose randomness of mutations but also the seemingly guidedness in evolution would be a by products of nature reflecting God's Character.Starhunter wrote:Yes, infinity would have to include infinite randomness, as well as infinite order wouldn't it? a paradox we might say, just like justice and mercy, the two elements of love combined in God's character.Danieltwotwenty wrote:If God is infinite wouldn't that entail being randomness, why would God create randomness when he is infinitely random himself? Just a thought I thought I would throw out there.
Whatever God's character is, will be reflected in His works, just like a famous painting is identified with the artist.
So if randomness is part of infinite capability, then randomness will appear in the universe.
What does that randomness do and what are its products?
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
Define randomness. I agree with wiki that it is 'Randomness means lack of pattern or predictability in events'
I reject randomness. It doesn't exist.
I reject randomness. It doesn't exist.
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
slnfiowehfrO;FSDBNKBNWERILFBWEVKB ILWFRBUIL;Mallz wrote:Define randomness. I agree with wiki that it is 'Randomness means lack of pattern or predictability in events'
I reject randomness. It doesn't exist.
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Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
That's how they speak in the outback! Roughly translated as:Danieltwotwenty wrote:slnfiowehfrO;FSDBNKBNWERILFBWEVKB ILWFRBUIL;Mallz wrote:Define randomness. I agree with wiki that it is 'Randomness means lack of pattern or predictability in events'
I reject randomness. It doesn't exist.
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Re: Interesting theory: God created randomness
I hope you don't think that was randomslnfiowehfrO;FSDBNKBNWERILFBWEVKB ILWFRBUIL;