"Debunking Christian Circular Arguments and Assumptions"

[Audie]

May I request, then, that all who wish to talk of juvenile, uneducated, typical etc atheists likewise define their terms?

I am of course aware that creationists are a subset of Christians, and that they are further subdivided into any number of schools of thought. Mostly OEC and YEC, I guess.

Something like this is the usual definition, taken of course from ye web

creationism definition. A literal belief in the biblical account of Creation as it appears in the Book of Genesis. Creationists believe that the creation of the world and all its creatures took place in six calendar days; they therefore deny the theory of evolution.

the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution.

[Rob]

Audie,

I don't post much, but I lurk a lot.
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your presence at this forum. You are polite, thoughtful, and you really seem like a sincere seeker.

I apologize if you feel insulted.

[jlay]

Is it good Christian practice to try to boost yourself
with any sort of mean spirited insults and falsehoods for
people you dont know, just because they dont happen to
buy into your religion?

Hmm, me thinks I detect a mean spirited, vacuous attack against people who seek to defend their religious beliefs.
Nice try!!

[Audie]

Audie,

I don't post much, but I lurk a lot.
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your presence at this forum. You are polite, thoughtful, and you really seem like a sincere seeker.

I apologize if you feel insulted.

No, not at all. People who dont know me have no capacity to insult me, tho they can speak ill of someone they invented.

If people want to talk that way, so much the worse for them.

If people wish to post their negative stereotypes, and others want to back and defend them in it, so much the worse for the quality of the form.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[RickD]

creationism definition. A literal belief in the biblical account of Creation as it appears in the Book of Genesis. Creationists believe that the creation of the world and all its creatures took place in six calendar days; they therefore deny the theory of evolution.

No Audie. That would be part of Young Earth Creationism. I can see why there's confusion if you're using that definition.

Take the word "calendar" out, and in a nutshell, that's creationism.

[Audie]

creationism definition. A literal belief in the biblical account of Creation as it appears in the Book of Genesis. Creationists believe that the creation of the world and all its creatures took place in six calendar days; they therefore deny the theory of evolution.

No Audie. That would be part of Young Earth Creationism. I can see why there's confusion if you're using that definition.

Take the word "calendar" out, and in a nutshell, that's creationism.

I just cut and pasted from the dictionary, and of course I know there is also OEC, etc, as I did make a point of saying.

[bippy123]

Is it good Christian practice to try to boost yourself
with any sort of mean spirited insults and falsehoods for
people you dont know, just because they dont happen to
buy into your religion?

No but it is very good Christian practice to expose arguments made against Christianity from almost pure emotion .
But the again Audie we know ur extremely unbiased and neutral right

I think also that people hold theists to a higher standard, like they are meant to be more moral or something, I'm afraid that we are just as fallible as people of no belief and there are just as many nasty Christians as there are nasty atheists. Read my signature if you don't believe me, I am the worst of sinners, thank God for Christ, because I damn well need him like I need oxygen.

Good point Daniel, many times I tend to in my passions forget . Thank you for the reminder my friend
Amen

[Danieltwotwenty]

Is it good Christian practice to try to boost yourself
with any sort of mean spirited insults and falsehoods for
people you dont know, just because they dont happen to
buy into your religion?

No, it is a sign of NOT ENOUGH Christ in our lives.

Of course I know that it is not good practice. I do know a fair number of Christians who I admire very much for their character and how they put their faith into practice.

Some nominal Christians are everything that is being said here, about all atheists.

In general this forum seems to be a lot better calibre than to host a thread like this one.

The thread subject is perfectly fine Audie.
Many Christians do not know how to answer these issues by skeptics, even though none of them are new and have been addressed many times over the ages.

Sometimes people simply don't know how to do the research needed, that'a all.

I was not saying there is anything wrong with the subject.

The calibre I was referring to was all the "typical atheist..." "typical of how atheists..."
"I cant get these atheists to..." "theists to a higher standard". Four legs good, two legs bad.

Those, and the dig at me personally are what I was commenting on. Its not on topic, and its hardly necessary as an element of counterargument.
Its just indulgence in stereotyping.
Im sure that would be clear enough if I indulged in counter examples of brainless things that I observe from some, and present thos as being 'typical Christian".

Its not the quality of discourse I was coming to expect to see here.

I am not sure why you included my quote in that bunch, I was siding with you and agreeing that the behaviour is wrong, but we definitely are held to a higher standard and ultimately we fail to reach that standard. I don't see why that is a personal dig at you, but I do apologise if that's the way you took it.

[Audie]

No Dan no apology remotely called for. It was in no way taken as a personal thing, the one who stooped to that wasnt you.

I dont know who holds theists to a higher standard of what than whom, or any basis for it.

But never mind that, its the claim- not made by you- that Christians achieve moral superiority that would properly be in the list
of bigoted remarks.

And from me, apology for any discomfort I caused you with what I wrote, and thanks for
both this post and you support, earlier.

[abelcainsbrother]

Atheists are very hard to reach but I like the challenge myself,it is not for every Christian as God uses us in different ways but I actually like the challenge and I think you have to,they have their talking points down and some know the bible better than Christians and they twist the bible all out of context to try to show the bible is wrong and how evil God is but if you are a Christian strong in faith and know the word of God well I think it is good to be challenged about what we believe and you get better at defending your faith the more you do it.When I first started debating atheists my whole approach was wrong but over time I've gotten better and it has actually strengthened me because it requires one to research things which I like to do anyway as I'm a non-fiction reader who loves to do research to learn something new but don't be fooled atheism is very persuasive and brings a formidable opponent to our faith and what we believe and we have lost some of the faith to their tactics.

The atheists
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phtP73p5_F0

[ItBeMacKenzie]

Thanks for the responses, everyone. I'm currently looking into counterarguments that address all of the points made in this book, though it's taking a while to sift through all of the material. And sorry that I haven't been very active on the forum! I've just started my second semester of college and I'm a little bit busy at the moment...

[Audie]

Atheists are very hard to reach but I like the challenge myself,it is not for every Christian as God uses us in different ways but I actually like the challenge and I think you have to,they have their talking points down and some know the bible better than Christians and they twist the bible all out of context to try to show the bible is wrong and how evil God is but if you are a Christian strong in faith and know the word of God well I think it is good to be challenged about what we believe and you get better at defending your faith the more you do it.When I first started debating atheists my whole approach was wrong but over time I've gotten better and it has actually strengthened me because it requires one to research things which I like to do anyway as I'm a non-fiction reader who loves to do research to learn something new but don't be fooled atheism is very persuasive and brings a formidable opponent to our faith and what we believe and we have lost some of the faith to their tactics.

The atheists
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phtP73p5_F0

Always good to see more stereotypes. Have you heard that all Chinese have buck teeth, and talk funny?

[Danieltwotwenty]

Atheists are very hard to reach but I like the challenge myself,it is not for every Christian as God uses us in different ways but I actually like the challenge and I think you have to,they have their talking points down and some know the bible better than Christians and they twist the bible all out of context to try to show the bible is wrong and how evil God is but if you are a Christian strong in faith and know the word of God well I think it is good to be challenged about what we believe and you get better at defending your faith the more you do it.When I first started debating atheists my whole approach was wrong but over time I've gotten better and it has actually strengthened me because it requires one to research things which I like to do anyway as I'm a non-fiction reader who loves to do research to learn something new but don't be fooled atheism is very persuasive and brings a formidable opponent to our faith and what we believe and we have lost some of the faith to their tactics.

The atheists
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phtP73p5_F0

Always good to see more stereotypes. Have you heard that all Chinese have buck teeth, and talk funny?

Yea and all Aussies are sun kissed beach bums, who are rippling with muscles. Well in my case that is actually true.

[Audie]

Atheists are very hard to reach but I like the challenge myself,it is not for every Christian as God uses us in different ways but I actually like the challenge and I think you have to,they have their talking points down and some know the bible better than Christians and they twist the bible all out of context to try to show the bible is wrong and how evil God is but if you are a Christian strong in faith and know the word of God well I think it is good to be challenged about what we believe and you get better at defending your faith the more you do it.When I first started debating atheists my whole approach was wrong but over time I've gotten better and it has actually strengthened me because it requires one to research things which I like to do anyway as I'm a non-fiction reader who loves to do research to learn something new but don't be fooled atheism is very persuasive and brings a formidable opponent to our faith and what we believe and we have lost some of the faith to their tactics.

The atheists
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phtP73p5_F0

Always good to see more stereotypes. Have you heard that all Chinese have buck teeth, and talk funny?

Yea and all Aussies are sun kissed beach bums, who are rippling with muscles. Well in my case that is actually true.

Im emigrating right away. Is there room for a thick-glasses nerd?

[Danieltwotwenty]

Atheists are very hard to reach but I like the challenge myself,it is not for every Christian as God uses us in different ways but I actually like the challenge and I think you have to,they have their talking points down and some know the bible better than Christians and they twist the bible all out of context to try to show the bible is wrong and how evil God is but if you are a Christian strong in faith and know the word of God well I think it is good to be challenged about what we believe and you get better at defending your faith the more you do it.When I first started debating atheists my whole approach was wrong but over time I've gotten better and it has actually strengthened me because it requires one to research things which I like to do anyway as I'm a non-fiction reader who loves to do research to learn something new but don't be fooled atheism is very persuasive and brings a formidable opponent to our faith and what we believe and we have lost some of the faith to their tactics.

The atheists
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phtP73p5_F0

Always good to see more stereotypes. Have you heard that all Chinese have buck teeth, and talk funny?

Yea and all Aussies are sun kissed beach bums, who are rippling with muscles. Well in my case that is actually true.

Im emigrating right away. Is there room for a thick-glasses nerd?

I think you might be bitterly disappointed, but you are sure welcome, we are a cultural melting pot here.