Annette - Don't listen to Rick. He is a heathen who has not been baptised and is going to hell.RickD wrote:Annette,Storyteller wrote:I felt pressured into being baptised (I have been baptised, btw) in one. It was too pushy, forcing belief down my throat.
One demanded we talk in tongues.
One was too 'nice' too sickly sweet if that makes sense.
And yep! I had the people falling to the floor, crying, wailing etc.
I actually adore being in empty churches.
Those are all things that would make me cringe too.
Forcing baptism, or forcing anything, is wrong.
Demanding that tongues is a sign of a believer, is wrong.
And sickly sweet, fake smile, fake Christians, make me want to puke. If we can't be ourselves in front of other believers, where can we be ourselves?
Annette,
My educated guess is that your cringing, is your knowing in your spirit, that something was wrong.
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Silvertusk wrote:Annette - Don't listen to Rick. He is a heathen who has not been baptised and is going to hell.RickD wrote:Annette,Storyteller wrote:I felt pressured into being baptised (I have been baptised, btw) in one. It was too pushy, forcing belief down my throat.
One demanded we talk in tongues.
One was too 'nice' too sickly sweet if that makes sense.
And yep! I had the people falling to the floor, crying, wailing etc.
I actually adore being in empty churches.
Those are all things that would make me cringe too.
Forcing baptism, or forcing anything, is wrong.
Demanding that tongues is a sign of a believer, is wrong.
And sickly sweet, fake smile, fake Christians, make me want to puke. If we can't be ourselves in front of other believers, where can we be ourselves?
Annette,
My educated guess is that your cringing, is your knowing in your spirit, that something was wrong.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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I think that's a nervous laugh...
Are you not baptised Rick?
I got baptised just in case.
Reminded me of this for some reason:
http://youtu.be/pDWR5RkWRTY?t=26s
Are you not baptised Rick?
I got baptised just in case.
Reminded me of this for some reason:
http://youtu.be/pDWR5RkWRTY?t=26s
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)
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I was christened as a baby. Does that count?Kurieuo wrote:I think that's a nervous laugh...
Are you not baptised Rick?
I got baptised just in case.
Reminded me of this for some reason:
http://youtu.be/pDWR5RkWRTY?t=26s
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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I'm covered I was Christened as a baby when I knew exactly what I was doing......RickD wrote:I was christened as a baby. Does that count?Kurieuo wrote:I think that's a nervous laugh...
Are you not baptised Rick?
I got baptised just in case.
Reminded me of this for some reason:
http://youtu.be/pDWR5RkWRTY?t=26s
Lutheran though, but all Fin babies are
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Proper baptism is only done in the Jordan. All other baptisms are facsimiles.
If you are not able to travel to Israel for some reason (you have no money, you're afraid of airplanes you big sissy, or you're an anti-zionist) you may replace proper baptism by sacrificing a chicken and sprinkling it's blood on your kitchen counter.
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If you are not able to travel to Israel for some reason (you have no money, you're afraid of airplanes you big sissy, or you're an anti-zionist) you may replace proper baptism by sacrificing a chicken and sprinkling it's blood on your kitchen counter.
FL
Hold everything lightly. If you don't, it will hurt when God pries your fingers loose as He takes it from you. -Corrie Ten Boom
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
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I got baptised in the local creek that runs by our church, but way before that happened I was baptised by the spirit. Water baptism is nice but it is a shadow of the real baptism.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you.... 
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)
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What do you mean?Kurieuo wrote:A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you....
I understand what Daniel is saying, I think. That water baptism is the shadow(or symbol) of the baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by the HS, is the one that saves.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Christianity decreasing
So when they're performed concurrently can we safely say that water baptism saves?RickD wrote:What do you mean?Kurieuo wrote:A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you....
I understand what Daniel is saying, I think. That water baptism is the shadow(or symbol) of the baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by the HS, is the one that saves.
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Thanks Rick, that is exactly what I mean't.RickD wrote:What do you mean?Kurieuo wrote:A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you....
I understand what Daniel is saying, I think. That water baptism is the shadow(or symbol) of the baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by the HS, is the one that saves.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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Just clowning around... D220's right of course. (for a changeRickD wrote:What do you mean?Kurieuo wrote:A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you....
I understand what Daniel is saying, I think. That water baptism is the shadow(or symbol) of the baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by the HS, is the one that saves.
)"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)
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Change is good, that's how we got from single cell to man.Kurieuo wrote:Just clowning around... D220's right of course. (for a changeRickD wrote:What do you mean?Kurieuo wrote:A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you....
I understand what Daniel is saying, I think. That water baptism is the shadow(or symbol) of the baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by the HS, is the one that saves.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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So true. Thank God for the clay that he moved such a change through.Danieltwotwenty wrote:Change is good, that's how we got from single cell to man.Kurieuo wrote:Just clowning around... D220's right of course. (for a changeRickD wrote:What do you mean?Kurieuo wrote:A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you....
I understand what Daniel is saying, I think. That water baptism is the shadow(or symbol) of the baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by the HS, is the one that saves.
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)
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TouchéKurieuo wrote:So true. Thank God for the clay that he moved such a change through.Danieltwotwenty wrote:Change is good, that's how we got from single cell to man.Kurieuo wrote:Just clowning around... D220's right of course. (for a changeRickD wrote:What do you mean?Kurieuo wrote:A "shadow"? Bah. You inclusivist you....
I understand what Daniel is saying, I think. That water baptism is the shadow(or symbol) of the baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by the HS, is the one that saves.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.