Matthew 5:39 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever
slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.…"
Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. 9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 10"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.…"
We have so much war in the world today. Where are the sons of God? Why are the true believers in Christ not taking a stronger stance against war and military actions? In our country we spend more on the military than taking care of each other. How can we call ourselves Christians if people are not willing to love the poor?
Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
Well, I wouldn't qualify this as bringing peace to humanity...
Matt 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law- -a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.""
Luke 12:51
"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
Matt 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law- -a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.""
Luke 12:51
"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
To put both posts together:
Christians are devided from unChristians. Blessed are those who try for peace though may endanger themselves, even get killed. UnChristians from family may not understand and may oppose. Hence the division, sword.
Well, yes, Christians could be more visible in opposing war or in helping the poor. Or they do it hiddenly as Bible tells?
Christians are devided from unChristians. Blessed are those who try for peace though may endanger themselves, even get killed. UnChristians from family may not understand and may oppose. Hence the division, sword.
Well, yes, Christians could be more visible in opposing war or in helping the poor. Or they do it hiddenly as Bible tells?
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
Dfnj,dfnj wrote:
How can we call ourselves Christians if people are not willing to love the poor?
If I were you, I'd be much more worried about how we can call ourselves Christians, if we believe Christ is not God, like you said here:
dfnj wrote:
Jesus was a great jewish rabbi and prophet. But I hope we can all agree God is still the almighty. Jesus will always be a representation for God. Not a replacement for God. I think we may have too much idol worship going on. It's funny how people only want to put the Commandments on display but never the Beatitudes! If only the rich and powerful would serve the people instead of the other way around.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
Such questions come from people who subscribe to the Social Gospel, and are used to question the salvation of those who don't take a strong stand against the military. Do you really think that Christians - "true believers" as you call them - welcome war?!dfnj wrote:We have so much war in the world today. Where are the sons of God? Why are the true believers in Christ not taking a stronger stance against war and military actions?
And just in case you missed it, Jesus hasn't called us to be against war or to better our society. Wars, famines and pestilences will continue and get worse. The betterment of our society is an impossible goal. Read your Bible, it's all in there! Stop cherry picking verses to suit your god. "True believers" are called to spread the Gospel, that's it and that's all.
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
Matt 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law- -a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.""
Luke 12:51
"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.
Could use the bible guys on this one again, but I thought these interpretations were describing Christ's ability to reach an individual for His Truth, Light and Way, and in so doing would, unfortunately, promote man against man, son against father ... etc ... in regards to how His message being received by each person would indemnify their faith, even against the closest ties, family.
IMO, these verses have nothing to do with the world's anger, hatred death and demise of one another as in war and worlds destruction. The spreading of the Gospel will cause enough enmity philosophically, religiously but not parsing words of man's warring among nations.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law- -a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.""
Luke 12:51
"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.
Could use the bible guys on this one again, but I thought these interpretations were describing Christ's ability to reach an individual for His Truth, Light and Way, and in so doing would, unfortunately, promote man against man, son against father ... etc ... in regards to how His message being received by each person would indemnify their faith, even against the closest ties, family.
IMO, these verses have nothing to do with the world's anger, hatred death and demise of one another as in war and worlds destruction. The spreading of the Gospel will cause enough enmity philosophically, religiously but not parsing words of man's warring among nations.
Trust the past to God’s mercy, the present to God’s love, and the future to God’s providence. -St Augustine
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
ES and 1over137,1over137 wrote:To put both posts together:
Christians are devided from unChristians. Blessed are those who try for peace though may endanger themselves, even get killed. UnChristians from family may not understand and may oppose. Hence the division, sword.
Well, yes, Christians could be more visible in opposing war or in helping the poor. Or they do it hiddenly as Bible tells?
I believe the reason behind the quotes from Matt and Luke is because people have turned away from God and they need to be reminded, by way of tribulation, that they should be devoting their worship and love more towards the Son/Father rather than anyone else.To put it into context, Matthew then recites....
Matt 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
Is it just specific to the Family? I would think not. Not in this day and age. Trials and tribulations are going to bite you on the bum from all directions - friends, relatives, governments, job associates, etc..
And it will continue until you wake up and ask for God. Not knowing God is the probably, dare I say it, the worst kind of sickness. JC is the cure to that sickness.
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
I agree, LH with your above post.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
Trials and tribulations are going to bite you on the bum from all directions - friends, relatives, governments, job associates, etc..
LH, IMO this quote of yours is spot on, but I think it has everything to do with a stern explanation to those who will follow His path (few) in comparison to those who will not (many). The many will have the upper hand in worldly affairs and will create an atmosphere of enmity towards those who seek Jesus' path. The Christ will have no problem bringing the big stick, and in no way needs our help or personal battles when the time comes and IMO the quotes you reference are simple explanation of the dividing power among people who are and are not believers. This crisis of faith will not only effect your day to day life but will shatter it right down to the most intimate relations, your family, where two will take up the cross and three others won't to the extent where ultimate choices will have to be made by His followers ... Him or your fellow man, even including family members.
Choose wisely, because when I come back it will be with a sword ( the original Jewish Messianic, conquering God, whom obviously the original 1st coming of Jesus was not ) and your decision is eternal.
LH, IMO this quote of yours is spot on, but I think it has everything to do with a stern explanation to those who will follow His path (few) in comparison to those who will not (many). The many will have the upper hand in worldly affairs and will create an atmosphere of enmity towards those who seek Jesus' path. The Christ will have no problem bringing the big stick, and in no way needs our help or personal battles when the time comes and IMO the quotes you reference are simple explanation of the dividing power among people who are and are not believers. This crisis of faith will not only effect your day to day life but will shatter it right down to the most intimate relations, your family, where two will take up the cross and three others won't to the extent where ultimate choices will have to be made by His followers ... Him or your fellow man, even including family members.
Choose wisely, because when I come back it will be with a sword ( the original Jewish Messianic, conquering God, whom obviously the original 1st coming of Jesus was not ) and your decision is eternal.
Trust the past to God’s mercy, the present to God’s love, and the future to God’s providence. -St Augustine
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
dfnj wrote:Matthew 5:39 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever
slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.…"
Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. 9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 10"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.…"
We have so much war in the world today. Where are the sons of God? Why are the true believers in Christ not taking a stronger stance against war and military actions? In our country we spend more on the military than taking care of each other. How can we call ourselves Christians if people are not willing to love the poor?
Jesus is both a God of war and of peace and looking back through history we can see how God is in control and used many wars to get us where we are today,history would've been totally different if it wasn't for Alexander the great,had Alexander not rose up Muslims would probably rule the world.History shows us the if you are weak you are conquered and we have serious threats in our world right now.
The east is gaining strength while the west is weakened both Russia and China are stronger that any country in the west is right now but also Islamic terrorism is on the rise and a country has every right by God to protect itself and yet we are not doing it and this is why the west will suffer,it is because we are not doing things God's way and instead are doing it the wrong way.
Also it is not the governments job to take care of the poor,it is the church's responsibility,not the governments,our country needs to spend more money on defense than on people so that we are safe,no country will mess with us if we are strong militarily and are willing to use it to defend our self.God blessed the west and gave us the power to defend ourself and if we don't use it then it is our fault,not God's fault. God is not for socialist governments which is leading the world to the one-world government and ultimately the mark of the beast system.
Yes we have war today and if my country is attacked I want it to use every means to destroy the enemy and win.I don't want to be conquered or destroyed and yet it very well could happen if the west doesn't wake up.
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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Re: Is Jesus a God of War or a God of Peace
War against evil is something God has always been involved in.
Peace is what happens when evil has been defeated.
Has evil been defeated?
No, not yet.
So there is no peace right now and there will only be peace after Christ has conquered evil and death.
What governments do with tax payer money is what they do and every tax payer that does NOT agree with it needs to voice his or her issues with it.
Those who remain silent condone what the government does.
Peace is what happens when evil has been defeated.
Has evil been defeated?
No, not yet.
So there is no peace right now and there will only be peace after Christ has conquered evil and death.
What governments do with tax payer money is what they do and every tax payer that does NOT agree with it needs to voice his or her issues with it.
Those who remain silent condone what the government does.