What is faith to you?

abelcainsbrother · Post by **abelcainsbrother** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:43 pm

I have actually given evidence for a global flood and yet it was ignored.Yet when I asked for evidence in science life evolves there was none given and all I got was anger and told that I'm not educated enough about evolution to understand it.There is more evidence for a global flood than there is for life evolving.

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:32 pm

abelcainsbrother wrote:I have actually given evidence for a global flood and yet it was ignored.Yet when I asked for evidence in science life evolves there was none given and all I got was anger and told that I'm not educated enough about evolution to understand it.There is more evidence for a global flood than there is for life evolving.

Your evidence wasn't ignored. People just disagreed with your belief about what the evidence shows. Just like I hope you aren't ignoring the evidence that people believe shows evolution. You're just coming to a different conclusion as to what that evidence shows.

We all have the same evidence available for us to see. We just don't all agree that the evidence points to the same things.

abelcainsbrother · Post by **abelcainsbrother** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:53 pm

RickD wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:I have actually given evidence for a global flood and yet it was ignored.Yet when I asked for evidence in science life evolves there was none given and all I got was anger and told that I'm not educated enough about evolution to understand it.There is more evidence for a global flood than there is for life evolving.
Your evidence wasn't ignored. People just disagreed with your belief about what the evidence shows. Just like I hope you aren't ignoring the evidence that people believe shows evolution. You're just coming to a different conclusion as to what that evidence shows.

We all have the same evidence available for us to see. We just don't all agree that the evidence points to the same things.

I have never seen evidence that shows life evolving but I discovered evidence for a global flood.I think people disagree with my interpretation and so disregard my evidence also but I do not disregard evidence regardless of my interpretation.

I agree we all have the same evidence available to us but come to different conclusions but I still say without evidence life evolves there is no reason to look at the evidence from that perspective and my conclusion is more believable based on the same evidence.The only thing we need is knowledgeable Gap theorists to debate evolutionists then you'd see what I mean.Evolution would be defeated unlike before.

Furstentum Liechtenstein · Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:08 pm

Sorry, Audie, but you are simply wrong.

Archaeology in Isarel & Jordan has consistently proven various biblical narratives as factual and historical.

I used to be an atheist so I understand quite well the distaste - the revulsion - this must elicit in you. You will continue to disparage the evidence - as I once did - because the alternative is unacceptable.

I understand that and don't fault you for it. as they say, Been there, done that.

FL

Audie · Post by **Audie** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:21 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Sorry, Audie, but you are simply wrong.

Archaeology in Isarel & Jordan has consistently proven various biblical narratives as factual and historical.

I used to be an atheist so I understand quite well the distaste - the revulsion - this must elicit in you. You will continue to disparage the evidence - as I once did - because the alternative is unacceptable.

I understand that and don't fault you for it. as they say, Been there, done that.

FL

you dont understand a flippin' thing about me

Furstentum Liechtenstein · Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:29 pm

Audie wrote:you dont understand a flippin' thing about me

No, I don't. I understand atheism and its utter horror at having to admit that the Bible can be a valid historical record about anything at all.

So, you will denigrate the Bible just because you are an atheist, and for no other reason. I understand because I used to be where you are.

You are not yet able to understand this, but your position is anything but objective. Sorry...

FL

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:10 pm

FL,

FYI, Audie is an agnostic, not an atheist. She may be stubborn, but she's not a fool.

abelcainsbrother · Post by **abelcainsbrother** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:49 pm

I actually like atheists and agnostics here as long as they don't mock or bash.I think it is good to not all agree but I sure hope we can change their mind before its too late but I like to be challenged about what I believe and why.The thing is though is they are in denial of their faith and belief and that they approach everything from the perspective of their faith and belief but deny it.

Furstentum Liechtenstein · Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:59 am

RickD wrote:FL,

FYI, Audie is an agnostic, not an atheist. She may be stubborn, but she's not a fool.

Agnostic? OK...well that changes things. If she were to die today, she'd go to Purgatory.

FL

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:48 am

Oky, so what`s Purgatory?

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:17 am

Storyteller wrote:Oky, so what`s Purgatory?

It was obviously a joke. As being agnostic isn't as bad as being atheist, purgatory isn't as bad as hell(at least stereotypically).

But wait a minute...you're catholic, and you don't know what purgatory is? Shame on you! Say 10 Our Fathers, and 50 Hail Marys.

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:26 am

And, pray tell, where have I said I am a Catholic?

I`m not Catholic (yet!

) just curious about Catholicism, that`s all. I`m not sure I`ll ever pin my faith to any denomination.

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:29 am

Storyteller wrote:And, pray tell, where have I said I am a Catholic?

I`m not Catholic (yet! ) just curious about Catholicism, that`s all. I`m not sure I`ll ever pin my faith to any denomination.

Renouncing the catholic faith are you? Hmmm...

Perhaps I was too lenient with only 50 Hail Marys.

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:40 am

RickD wrote:
Storyteller wrote:And, pray tell, where have I said I am a Catholic?

I`m not Catholic (yet! ) just curious about Catholicism, that`s all. I`m not sure I`ll ever pin my faith to any denomination.
Renouncing the catholic faith are you? Hmmm... Perhaps I was too lenient with only 50 Hail Marys.

I can`t renounce something I haven`t been a part of, silly!

Audie · Post by **Audie** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:53 am

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Sorry, Audie, but you are simply wrong.

Archaeology in Isarel & Jordan has consistently proven various biblical narratives as factual and historical.

I used to be an atheist so I understand quite well the distaste - the revulsion - this must elicit in you. You will continue to disparage the evidence - as I once did - because the alternative is unacceptable.

I understand that and don't fault you for it. as they say, Been there, done that.

FL

Archaeology has of course of course uncovered remains of some of the sites mentioned in the bible. Not by any means all, but some.

For some places and events, there is no trace of evidence. Tower of Babel, red sea crossing, garden of eden,
S and G, No evidence. Egypt, lots of evidence. The "flood", as an historic world wide event is found supported only by pseudo-science woo woo. To say archaeology supports the bible is to make an overly broad statement ignoring the exceptions and opposites.

Whatever you say you are or used to be does not qualify you in the least to any claim of knowing anything about me.
I find your making up insulting nonsense about me no more charming than I did with jac. You've not "been there and done
that", regarding specific education, ways of thinking, attitudes and belief. You dont know a thing about me.

If you want to discuss archaeology / bible, fine. If you are going to continue projecting your fantasies onto me, conversation
is over.

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