The Beast Revelation

[michae11]

The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

[luigi]

I see correlation between the beast with seven heads and ten horns in Revelation chapter 13 and the fourth beast in Daniel chapter seven which has ten horns.
What I also find correlates with the fourth beast in Daniel chapter eight is the he-goats prominent horn (the fourth beasts most prominent member national power) secedes into four horns (national powers).
Therefore if there are ten horns (national powers) which exist because the prominent member of this Group of seven (G-7) national powers has seceded into four national powers, this would then account for ten national powers from the seven heads.
What I think the difference between the heads and the horns is that the seven heads represent the economic policy making heads (the G-7), whereas the ten horns describe the military powers this group comprise after the prominent member secedes into four national powers.

You also brought up a very good point; there have been many interpretations on the beast and its members, so how do you know which one (if any) is correct?
The answer basically is through corroborating scriptures describing the same events, such as I just provided between the book of Daniel and Revelation.
I'm not sure if you are aware of this Michae11, but nearly every book in the Bible describe events that are to transpire during the end of days.
In the Old Testament, these events are often referred to as the day of the Lord.
Additionally, there are many other areas in the OT where the end of days are not referred to as the day of the Lord.
You would think therefore that there would be many books which cross reference apocalyptic scriptures, but unfortunately there are few that do so accurately.

[michae11]

Does anyone agree with my conclusions?

[EssentialSacrifice]

No...

Matthew 24:42-44

Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

because if you expect it then, then this verse rules it out.... sorry, don't worry about when... do something gracious about it now.

[PaulSacramento]

One of the easiest and perhaps best way to understand Revelation is by remembering to WHO it was addressed and WHEN and WHY.
Also, how did those early Christian to which the letter was addressed and those that read it, understood it.

[michae11]

Does anyone agree with this prophecy? If not, then state your own thoughts on this subject. I'm interested in all points of view.

[RickD]

Michae11,

Tell us, did you go to the Harold Egbert Camping school of biblical prophecy?

[Philip]

The original post is 6 years old - and he never posted more than 3 times.

[RickD]

The original post is 6 years old - and he never posted more than 3 times.

He must be busy getting ready for the apocalypse.

[B. W.]

Does anyone agree with this prophecy? If not, then state your own thoughts on this subject. I'm interested in all points of view.

No...

Because the form of reductionism logic is stretched to fit an opinion about someone...

Let's see, back in the 1980's Reagan was the Antichrist, then is it was Bill Clinton, all the Bushes, Obama, and now Trump...

It has been used to fit every Pope as well... and even Prince Charles...

I was made to fit the Ayatollah Khomeini and all USSR Presidents...and Putin too..

Fact is no one really knows for certain. He maybe a real Islamic Leader or someone with Syrian DNA anywhere in the world.

There are several ways to read the number 666 which too many folks have gone off the deep end on as well.

Best one can discern from the number 666 are distinguishing hallmark character traits to help identify who the Antichrist is. These traits are verified in the bible so not much need to know the Hebrew number meanings as that just verifies what is already revealed.

However for your amusement I will show you what I mean. First, each Hebrew letter has a number as well as a word definition and a pictograph letter form which help reveal what the bible already says about this person.

Hebrew uses 22 letters and then assigns 5 more Final letters to total 900. Why use Hebrew Letter/Numbers as opposed to Greek? Simple, Greek number system does not work, and does not have verifiable word definitions to them as does the ancient Hebrew

So you have 500 (Final letter Kaf) + 100 (Letter Qof)+ 60 (Letter Samekh) + 6 (Letter Vav) = 666 which by they way never does not spell out any name at all.

What is important is the letter pictograph and numeric meanings and just like translating Hebrew into English one may have to tweak the order of the sentence.

600 Mem - Waters of chaos or living waters

100 Qof - Election, offspring of God or the devil, what follows or soon to arise/breakforth - context it is used in verifies meaning.

60 Samekh - staff what one relies on, what is ones main support in life whether it is pride conceit, how one twist and turns things - spin. worldly inventions.

6 Vav is the number meaning to attach or what man attaches himself too

Context - Antichrist

500 He will bring chaos

100 to offspring

60 support

6 Men attach themselves to him

Here is what it says...

600 He will bring chaos to the 100 offspring of 6 men who attach their 60 support, pride --- (to him)

Wow, not very profound is it? However the bible confirms the same details about him by what he will be doing.

He will be a spin miester - wanting to control all so that all people are supported by him - he will bring chaos by promising good water... etc and etc

[Davy]

I'll try to shed more Biblical light on your questions and answers, in hopes that it will be of help to those who understand.

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The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

The mystery about who the "false prophet" is, is explained by mention in Rev.16:13 and Rev.19:20. In both Rev.16 and Rev.19 we are shown the false prophet wrought miracles, pointing directly to the one in Rev.13:11-14 that works the great wonders and miracles. But notice Rev.13:11-14 is about the "another beast" and does not mention the "false prophet". Instead, Rev.13:11 is pointing to the "dragon", which is but another title for Satan himself. It's even amazing that some will assign the "another beast" of Rev.13 as the "false prophet" of Rev.16 & 19 when that term is not even written there in Rev.13! And then, notice that at Jesus' return, the false prophet and beast go into the "lake of fire", but the "dragon" (Satan) does not.

The way this is easiest to grasp is by asking ourselves the question 'has the Judgment to the "lake of fire" perishing for man already happened? ' The answer of course is no, not for flesh born man. Not even Judas who betrayed our Lord Jesus has been judged and sentenced to perish just yet. But who has... already been judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" already? (And God did tell us in His Word). The devil and his angels have. No one else has.

So, can the "false prophet" be a flesh born man judged and sentenced to the "lake of fire" before... the time of God's Great White Throne Judgment? No. That alone is Biblically enough to rule out the "false prophet" being some flesh born man, simply because he is cast into the "lake of fire" at Jesus' return per Rev.19:20.

The answer is that the "false prophet" is a 'role' that Satan will play when he comes. And our Lord Jesus did say that Satan is coming, meaning to our dimension, per John 14:30 and per Apostle John in 1 John 2:18 which is how they had already heard that "antichrist" shall come. Revelation 12:7-9 shows Satan with his angels being cast down to this earth, there no more place found in heaven for him, which is especially important to understand. (No more place found for him in the heavenly means he is cast down to earth in 'our' earthly dimension. There's only two different dimensions mentioned in God's Word, this earthly one we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels dwell, which also includes the abode of hell, but in a place of separation like Jesus taught in Luke 16. Thus Rev.12 is pointing to Satan and his angels, de facto, appearing here in person on earth, for the very end of this world).

The 'beast' concept being cast into the "lake of fire" also with the "false prophet" at Christ's coming is about the end of the beast system, the kingdom you point to with the mountains and ten kings. That system will be over at Christ's return. The 'beast' role applied to Satan as the "another beast" also will end at Christ's return, but Satan will not be cast into the "lake of fire" then. Only the "false prophet" and "beast" go into the "lake of fire" at Christ's return. So both of those are 'roles' Satan will play. Those roles perish when Satan is cast into his pit prison at Jesus' return.

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The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Moreover, we were to pick up on the beast kingdom concept which was presented earlier, back in Rev.12:3-4. If you look closely, the beast system mentioned in Rev.12:3 only had "seven crowns" vs. the one of Rev.13 with "ten crowns". That system in Rev.12 is linked to the time when that dragon drew a third of the stars (angels) to earth with him. It's pointing to the event of Satan's original rebellion against God. Some will simply pass off that fact and read right over it because of other things they listen to. Yet the Scripture is very clear, "seven crowns", not ten. And at a time of old, when Satan (that "red dragon") drew a third of the stars (angels) into rebellion with him. Rev.13:1-2 represents Satan's 2nd kingdom attempt at rebellion against God in wanting to be The GOD, and it's for the very end of our present world.

(Cont.)

[Davy]

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Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

You state that thinking Satan as also being the role of the false prophet and beast is misleading and creates a stumbling block, but you fail to support it, and instead jump into 2 Thess.2.

Scripture does support Satan as the "another beast" of Rev.13:11-14, and as the "false prophet" of Rev.16 & 19 that wrought miracles. Thus it's very strange why you would immediately cast that off as if it were some taboo. Your explanation of Rev.12 is not enough, since we are also shown there that Satan is cast out of the heavenly to this earth for the end. And that casting out part you just whisked over when it directly relates to the beast and kingdom of Rev.13 in the very next chapter!

You are very, very incorrect with inserting a rapture into 2 Thess.2 with happening 'prior' to the revealing of that "man of sin". Apostle Paul was very specific there that Christ's coming and our gathering to Him will not happen except first there comes a great falling away, AND the man of sin is revealed. Thus the Church will still be here on earth when that 'man of sin' shows up and plays God in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem (that is "the temple of God" which Paul refers to there in 2 Thess.2). Satan will be that "man of sin" coming to play God.

The idea of the 'revealing' in 2 Thess.2 has two applications there. There's two ideas involved, reason being because there will be brethren in two different conditions in that future time, i.e., those who will be deceived by that false one, and those who will not (i.e., Christ's very elect). For those deceived, they will wrongly believe on that 'man of sin' as being Christ. And when Jesus does return later, then... that man of sin will be 'revealed' to them as to his true identity, and they will howl in shame for being deceived by the devil. But for Christ's elect who heed His warning to watch, will not be deceived, and will know who that 'man of sin' is, and will refuse to bow to him, even to the death. Simply when that 'man of sin' shows up to play Christ, he will then be revealed to Christ's elect (i.e., so this is the false cat our Lord Jesus told us to watch out for). Thus there's two different applications of the 'revealing' of the man of sin in 2 Thess.2, and it depends on whether one is deceived or not.

Satan is the 'beast king' concept of the Book of Daniel. This idea is shown more in Rev.17 when describing the king concept in relation to the 'beast' idea. Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4 represented the strongest example of the 'beast' nature applied to a king, and a man. Neb's mind went, and was lowered to living as an animal with animals (certain name for this disease). Neb literally became like a beast. But God saved him. So the 'beast' concept certainly is... applied to the false one in Rev.13:11 forward, which is also linked with the idea of the "dragon", which is another title for Satan as shown in Rev.12:9.

So already, you have left Scripture with saying the 'beast' has no relation to Satan, and that the false prophet has no connection. You have gone your own way instead of staying with God's Word as written.

[PaulSacramento]

So already, you have left Scripture with saying the 'beast' has no relation to Satan, and that the false prophet has no connection. You have gone your own way instead of staying with God's Word as written.

Davy,
You have, multiple times, stated that people are NOT staying with God's word.
You are new here so allow me to help you and inform you that ACCUSING people of not following God's Word because they don't agree with YOUR interpretation, is NOT allowed.
You can certainly argue for your interpretation BUT do not accuse believers of not following the Word Of God, that is uncalled for and not allowed.
You can NOT cast judgment on the faith of another.

[Davy]

So already, you have left Scripture with saying the 'beast' has no relation to Satan, and that the false prophet has no connection. You have gone your own way instead of staying with God's Word as written.

Davy,
You have, multiple times, stated that people are NOT staying with God's word.
You are new here so allow me to help you and inform you that ACCUSING people of not following God's Word because they don't agree with YOUR interpretation, is NOT allowed.
You can certainly argue for your interpretation BUT do not accuse believers of not following the Word Of God, that is uncalled for and not allowed.
You can NOT cast judgment on the faith of another.

I'm not accusing, I'm stating fact.

When someone brings in an idea to God's Word that originates from outside it, that is not staying with what is written in God's Word. In my post I showed when that happened with his wrongly inserting a rapture into the 2 Thess.2:3-4 Scripture prior to the revealing of the "man of sin" when Apostle Paul showed just the opposite.

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

So if this forum does not allow a believer on Christ Jesus to rebuke one who leaves what is plainly written in God's Word and instead inserts a doctrine of men, then there is no reason for a serious follower of Christ to continue here. Do what you will.

[PaulSacramento]

You know for a FACT that a person that you DO NOT KNOW and have NO IDEA about their faith, has turned away from God Word?
Please, explain your omniscience to me since ONLY GOD can judge the faith of another.