Can Science Discover God?

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:48 am

You know, until recently, I would have strongly answered "No".

God can't be tested in a laboratory. God isn't physical. God isn't going to allow Himself to be tested in such ways.
Why on earth would God lower himself and to be testable by mankind? It seems to be insulting to God.
He is already plainly obvious. Why should God dig the sand out around people's heads in the ground?

What science can only be turn up is circumstantial evidence that feed into logical arguments for God's existence.
The kind that you find on the main GodandScience.org website, or Reasons To Believe.

This is what I thought... that is, until in an exchage with HFD I started reflecting upon Deism.
Thinking about whether this belief of mine, that God cannot be found via science, is a rather Deistic position.
That is, by declaring "No, God cannot be found or tested via science" -- I'm ultimately saying that God would not personally reveal Himself via an empirical way.

How do I know this for sure? God could choose to reveal Himself in any method God so desired.
It's also not like Jesus didn't show his hand to Thomas when he doubted, or didn't perform miracles and the like when alive.
So if Jesus is God, and in Christ we see the Father, then well, God can reveal Himself in different ways.

Just like gravity can be repeated over and over due to whatever upholds such and keeps it stable, perhaps God has put Himself and the world we do not see within arms length.
Such that God can be found one day and be undeniable view-able to all except those who extremely persist in their rejection. Right?

Perhaps as we peel back or push the boundaries of the physical world with NDEs, we'll actually strike upon God?

You know, secular scientists looking for prior universes or parallel universes...
what if we peeled back time enough to the very beginning of our universe to actually be struck by God's glory?
Then God says, "Ahh, the game is up -- you ALL finally found me!" and then rolls our world up like a scroll.
Yes, now I'm joking people. Well, half... God may have a sense of humour like this! Who knows right?

As the final ending nears, I have an inexplicable feeling that God will start revealing Himself more and more.
To the point it will almost be unreasonable for God to allow the world to continue in its rejection.

In any case, in response to the question "Can Science Discover God?" my response would now be "Why not?"
It just depends on whether God reveals Himself through ways discoverable via physical science.
What about the rest of you?

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:31 am

I voted yes too, pretty much for the reasons you stated.

And I`m pretty sure God has a sense of humour too, I mean just look at duck billed platypus!

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:38 am

Storyteller wrote:I voted yes too, pretty much for the reasons you stated.

And I`m pretty sure God has a sense of humour too, I mean just look at duck billed platypus!

A-net, you silly twit! A platypus is a freak of evolution.

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:47 am

Define discover?

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:08 am

RickD wrote:
Storyteller wrote:I voted yes too, pretty much for the reasons you stated.

And I`m pretty sure God has a sense of humour too, I mean just look at duck billed platypus!
A-net, you silly twit! A platypus is a freak of evolution.

Then evolution isn`t all it`s cracked up to be then is it? I mean come on!

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:35 am

RickD wrote:
Storyteller wrote:I voted yes too, pretty much for the reasons you stated.

And I`m pretty sure God has a sense of humour too, I mean just look at duck billed platypus!
A-net, you silly twit! A platypus is a freak of evolution.

The Brits stitched it together as a joke and pretended back home they found it in New England.
But, the joke was on them because then it came to life and started breeding!

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:53 am

PaulSacramento wrote:Define discover?

Like discovering the real "God particle" -- God becoming detected via scientific inquiry.
God revealing his existence to empirical methods.

Perhaps there is some way we can find God... but we just haven't stumbled across it yet.
Far out idea -- what if blackholes are like tares in the universe which actually lead to the world beyond.
Maybe, if science develops enough, we'll eventually see strange glimpses of spiritual or immaterial realities.

You know, I'm not saying this is the case.
BUT, provided God exists, we just don't know whether God or the spiritual plain is at least detectable.
We are largely ignorant to how it all really works, what connection there is between the physical and immaterial, etc.
Consciousness is revealing, some studies attempting to garner evidence of consciousness after physical death is pushing that envelope.

DBowling · Post by **DBowling** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:34 pm

Yes... it can...
and it has!

Psalm 19:1
The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

In Christ

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:44 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Define discover?
Like discovering the real "God particle" -- God becoming detected via scientific inquiry.
God revealing his existence to empirical methods.

Perhaps there is some way we can find God... but we just haven't stumbled across it yet.
Far out idea -- what if blackholes are like tares in the universe which actually lead to the world beyond.
Maybe, if science develops enough, we'll eventually see strange glimpses of spiritual or immaterial realities.

You know, I'm not saying this is the case.
BUT, provided God exists, we just don't know whether God or the spiritual plain is at least detectable.
We are largely ignorant to how it all really works, what connection there is between the physical and immaterial, etc.
Consciousness is revealing, some studies attempting to garner evidence of consciousness after physical death is pushing that envelope.

Well, look at it this way:
Science is about observing the universe around us and deducing things from those observations.
If science can OBSERVE God then, yes, science would have discovered and proved His existence.
All hat has to happen is for this "thing" that is being observed to demonstrate all the qualities of God.

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:25 pm

Am I right in thinking that the very act of observing something changes it?
If so, then you cannot observe God, only His effects.
God will not change.
God is everything.
All that is, was, and ever will be.
God is love.
How do you observe love?

Furstentum Liechtenstein · Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:30 pm

Storyteller wrote:Am I right in thinking that the very act of observing something changes it?
If so, then you cannot observe God, only His effects.
God will not change.

Excellent! Which is why I voted No in this survey.

FL

HappyFlappyTheist · Post by **HappyFlappyTheist** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:41 pm

Am I right in thinking that the very act of observing something changes it?

In quantum theory, yes!

Storyteller · Post by **Storyteller** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:54 pm

Kinda where I got it from, quantum physics fascinates me, dont understand it in detail but in principle I get it.

Schrodingers cat? Sure. Makes sense.

God? Why not?

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:34 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Storyteller wrote:Am I right in thinking that the very act of observing something changes it?
If so, then you cannot observe God, only His effects.
God will not change.
Excellent! Which is why I voted No in this survey.

FL

Ahh, post-modern thought.

Does that mean you've just disproven modern science as a valid pursuit of knowledge?
And, what about Moses seeing God?

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:38 pm

HappyFlappyDeist wrote:
Am I right in thinking that the very act of observing something changes it?
In quantum theory, yes!

This is just strange, but true.

Some argue quantum theory is strong evidence for Idealism, that reality is ultimately mental.
As opposed to Physicalism, that all reality is ultimately physical.

Evidence for God from Science