new study on nde's says they are real

[Storyteller]

Yes, He does.
And yes He would, because He loves her

[Kurieuo]

But the bible says that those that say there is no God, are fools. Audie ain't no fool. She's just a little slow in coming around. But she'll get there.

Does God really want the likes of Audie though?

Can you picture Him being called stupid for doing this and that.
"Why did you invent such foolish things for people to believe in! That's just stupid!"

You know what they say... (Proverbs 21:19)

Could you imagine Audie putting God on her ig list?

Err, that might be why God isn't getting through!!

[Kurieuo]

Yes, He does.
And yes He would, because He loves her

Just don't tell Audie the Bible tells her so.

[Storyteller]

Nah, as if?
I just tell her I love her, and mean it.

[Kurieuo]

Nah, as if?
I just tell her I love her, and mean it.

Is there something the rest of us don't know?
Maybe I shouldn't ask.

PS. I teach my kids Jesus loves them because the Bible tells us so. Is that wrong?

[Storyteller]

God is about love. He is love.
God loves me.
I love Audie and I love God.

ps I dont think God cares how you teach them Jesus loves them, as long as that love is understood.

[Kurieuo]

Well aren't we serious today?
Someone once said love is God. I laughed.

[Storyteller]

Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.

But you know what they say... he who laughs last...

Can only be God.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

But the bible says that those that say there is no God, are fools. Audie ain't no fool. She's just a little slow in coming around. But she'll get there.

Yeah, the Bible says that those who say there is no God are fools, Ps 14:1. Hindus worship a multutude of idols, Muslims worship Allah and go around a black rock during the Hajj, animists worship a bunch of spirits, atheists worship whatever, and agnostics are confused. A false god is no god, so worship a false god and you might as well be dancing around a totem pole for all the good it will do you.

Another way to look at it: die in any false worship and you go to Hell. God doesn't say, "Well, my son, you were a good agnostic in life, giving to the poor and protecting the Environment, so you'll get into Paradise."

Ps 14:1 applies to a helluva lot of people, not just crazed atheists.

FL

[Kurieuo]

Helluva lot of people is perhaps an understatement.
Just like there is none but God who are good, likewise I think only God is not foolish.
Thankfully God loves us fools anyway.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

Helluva lot of people is perhaps an understatement.Just like there is none but God who are good, likewise I think only God is not foolish.Thankfully God loves us fools anyway.

I have no clue about what you are rattling on about. The context of Ps 14:1 is clear: those who say there is no God are fools. The G is capitalized indicating that the deity referred to is the Real One, not Vishnu, or Allah or the Environment or

FL

[bippy123]

New study does not disagree that they are real, but not "real" in the way that
some think..

http://ki.se/en/news/brain-scan-reveals ... y-illusion

Actually the articles interoretatiin on the new study is what is not up to date .
Every materialistic explanation for Nde's being brain based has fallen short and has been refuted .
For instance pseudo skeptics first said that Nde's were the result of an oxygen deprived brain later studies show that people have Nde's whether they are deprived of oxygen or have an abundance of oxygen.

The author of the article just didn't dig deep enough into the literature to properly refute the skeptical explanations.

How do you explain the little Colton boy who came back with information about a sister he saw in heaven that he never knew who was lost in a miscarriage ? How do you explain by materialistic means doctor alexander going to heaven and seeing a beautiful spirit guide he never knew before guiding him through heaven who he later finds out is his sister who his real parents had later after he was adopted who died in her early thirties .

How do you explain these types of veridical Nde's as being caused by the brain ?

The more I study Nde's the more convinced I am that many of them can't be explained as having being caused by the brain.
I see the brain in these experiences as being a receptor for the soul . It fits in perfectly with these types of Nde's and other veridical Nde's

[bippy123]

New study does not disagree that they are real, but not "real" in the way that
some think..

http://ki.se/en/news/brain-scan-reveals ... y-illusion

That is not the samething Audie.
Those were illusions induced in an active brain.
NDE ( some not all I think) happen when there is NO brain activity at all.

Some but not all. No detected brain activity?

I wonder how you would define "dead".

The legal / medical definition has specific purposes.

You end up with "dead" but in a reversible state, and dead-dead, like, squashed possum on the highway dead.

In between there seem to be a lot of grey areas.

If the brain is not functioning should it matter if the neurons or synapses or the bones have rotted away.
Non functional is non functional . And this is why sam parnia is now starting to call them actual death experiences or ADE's.

[bippy123]

Helluva lot of people is perhaps an understatement.Just like there is none but God who are good, likewise I think only God is not foolish.Thankfully God loves us fools anyway.

I have no clue about what you are rattling on about. The context of Ps 14:1 is clear: those who say there is no God are fools. The G is capitalized indicating that the deity referred to is the Real One, not Vishnu, or Allah or the Environment or

FL

But what do we do with the person who grew up knowing only their faith ?
I can imagine a Muslim being brought up being told that is
Am is the true faith standing before God in judgment never knowing about Christ or being taught the word of God in the right away and God telling that person "oops it doesn't matter that you never denied me because u didn't know me , off to hell with you anyways "

It just doesn't fit with the all understanding , loving nature of God.

Now if someone knowingly rejects after knowing his word that is a different story . How can you reject what u never had a chance to know . Another classic example is a person that grows up in a fire and Brie stone church that teaches them that God is an angry tyrant that will vanquish you to hell for even the slightest sin. Is it this persons fault that he was taught the wrong understanding of God or his pastors or priests fault ?

These aren't questions. That we can easily answer .

[Audie]

Audie,
There has to be something left of the person to be able to tell the tale.
Otherwise we would never know.
Clinically dead as in Doctors agreeing they were dead.
Legally, medicaly.
Thats why its news.

Yes, something left. Now, what reason might people have to want to turn this
into something that it may well not be?

Belief in God does not require that one be gullible, tho our yecs and floodies etc make it a requirement.