Kenny wrote:Audie wrote:RickD wrote:Kenny wrote:RickD wrote:Humor me for a moment. In order for the Flood story to be true, we have to believe God exists.
So, for the sake of the story as it's written in Genesis, assume God exists. According to the story, God told Noah how to build the ark. So, assuming God exists, is it out of the scope of reality to believe that God would know how to have Noah build an ark?
If we assumed a miracle working God instructed Noah to build an ark of the proportions listed in the Bible; without any steel reinforcements; it would require God provide them with the following
1) A miracle to get this structure to float,
2) A miracle to prevent food (for them and the animals) from spoiling without any refrigeration on the vessel
3) A miracle to prevent disease from spreading without any way of getting rid of the waste from all those animals locked up for a year (God had the key, there was no way in or out)
4) A miracle to allow the salt water to separate from the fresh water once the water rescinds
5) A miracle to allow all those Kangaroos and Kola Bears to get from the Mountain in Turkey (where the Ark landed) to Australia without leaving a trail
And a lot more that I can’t think of right now. Seems to me it would have made more sense to just take Noah and his family up to heaven at that time, and allow the earth to remain barren; especially when you consider God knew eventually Noah’s seed would eventually become as corrupt as the people he destroyed.
Ken
Kenny,
I numbered your points, and I'll address them that way.
1) Kenny, God told Noah how to build the ark. That in itself is a miracle.
2) there was no refrigeration anywhere at that time. The food issue would have been no different than if he wasn't on an ark. Plants could have been grown aboard, and animals provided food as well.
3) ever heard of windows, Kenny?
4) salt water and fresh water? What on earth are you talking about?
5) kangaroos and koalas weren't indigenous to the Mesopotamia region which was most likely the region where the flood was.
Kenny,
We've been over this before. The biblical text does not necessitate a global flood, where 2 of every kind of animal around the globe would've had to have been on the ark.
Better take a poll, world wide or.......
RickD wrote:2) there was no refrigeration anywhere at that time. The food issue would have been no different than if he wasn't on an ark. Plants could have been grown aboard, and animals provided food as well.
A) Lions eat 10-15 lbs of meat per day. Where is all that fresh meat going to come from? Oh yeah I forgot; a miracle.
RickD wrote:4) salt water and fresh water? What on earth are you talking about?
B) If everything is covered with salt water, why do we have fresh water lakes? Oh yeah; a miracle.
RickD wrote:5) kangaroos and koalas weren't indigenous to the Mesopotamia region which was most likely the region where the flood was.
C)They are indigenous to Australia, yet there is no record of a trail from Mesopotamia to Australia. How did that happen? Lemme guess.....
RickD wrote:We've been over this before. The biblical text does not necessitate a global flood, where 2 of every kind of animal around the globe would've had to have been on the ark.
D)Yes! That's right; I remember this discussion. I believe I ended with,
it wasn't a global flood, they should have broke out the "ores" and paddle their way to shore; or better yet; instead of spending 100 years building an Ark and gathering animals, the infinite wise God should have had them spend that time packin' up and moving outside the "flood zone". But then if all of that happened; not so many miracles would have been necessary huh?
K
Ken I lettered your latest responses A-D. I will respond that way.
A) show me proof that lions were on the Ark. Do you even know if lions lived in the area of the flood at that time? Or, are you just choosing animals that weren't in the region(koalas, kangaroos) to make your argument sound like it makes sense?
B) I don't understand your point about salt water and fresh water. The salt water oceans would not have been affected by a flood in one specific area. Specifically the Mesopotamia region.
C) Kenny, there is no reason why animals that are indigenous to Australia, would have been on an ark in a flood that was in Mesopotamia. You do understand that, don't you? And yes, that also means that if there were bison in North America, they would not have needed to walk to the ark to avoid a flood that was thousands of miles away, across an ocean.
D) I'll answer with this quote:
If God had told Noah to just migrate away from the flood area, the people would not have been warned of the impending judgment. Ultimately, they were without excuse in their rebellion against God, since the impending judgment was proclaimed to them for 100 years before it happened. Likewise, God will send two preachers for 1260 days prior to the ultimate judgment of God.17 Those who get on God's ark (Jesus Christ) will be saved from the judgment and pass from death to eternal life.
Ken,
Please read this article so you will understand why your flood arguments don't hold water( pun intended).
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... flood.html
And Ken, I'm not discounting the miraculous in the flood story. And you are inconsistent if on one hand, you dismiss the miraculous when it comes to God, and on the other hand you can think that the universe may have begun by some means that is presently unknown. Both of those instances are unknown to you, yet you conveniently use the unknown when it suits you(beginning of universe). And you throw away an unknown to you(God), when His existence goes against your argument. At best, that inconsistent. At worst, that's intellectually dishonest.
