PaulSacramento wrote:RickD wrote:All the rabbit trails aside, I think Audie makes a good point. And I haven't seen it addressed yet(I may have missed it).
If someone's brain is dead in a NDE, then how can they have memories of the NDE?
Audie,
Sorry if I misrepresented your point, but that's what I got from what you said.
That is the whole issue Rick and why Materialist keep looking for a way out like saying things like "maybe there is some undetectable activity" and they say this with no evidence at all.
Fact is that we are able to read brain activity very well, we are able to read even the most minuscule of electrical impulses in the brain.
In short, when a person is declared brain dead it means there is NO brain activity at all,period.
To question that with no evidence of the contrary is to question and insult neuroscience.
See science is very simple:
It comments on what can be OBSERVED, what can be evidenced in some form or another.
When a person says that someone that had a nde when brain dead MUST have some sort of undetectable brain activity they are basically saying that they do NOT want to follow the evidence presented and prefer to speculate based on their personal belief and not what science has evidence for.
Paul most neuroscientists will admit this privately but because most are atheists they will not admit this publicly in an academic environment . And in fact I have brought this point up before.
Audie says if a brain is offline how can it have memory of the nde?
She is assuming g right off the bat apriori that brain equals mind and therefore if a brain is dead how can it have memories of anything. The fact is that it's happening and if these neuroscientists admit this their whole materialist paradigm is flushed down the tubes. This is in fact what nde's are showing .
This is why atheist physicist sir Roger Penrose is trying to find a natural explanation for this with his microtubules theory in conjunction with Stuart hammerof.
In late 2013 scientists found a deep brain surge in dying rats that wasn't detected by regular eeg's but was detected by electrodes placed deeper in the rats brains. Atheists screamed "we won, see there is a brain based explanation for ndes"
Never mind that they learned in school that correlation doesn't equal causation.
But these atheist neuroscientists ignored this anyways and kept using this study as evidence for their brain based explanation. This is not science but dogmatism. But a deeper look at the study showed why it was overblowned .
Every rat that was given anesthetics experienced no brain activity deep or otherwise and nde researchers know that many of their nde experiencers had nde's even when they were given anesthetics.
And finally , even if we don't understand how a dead brain can retain these memories doesn't change the fact that this is exactly what is happening.
The fact is if these experiences are looked at in an unbiased way they will come to the conclusion that there is no materialistic explanation here .
but this video did come from the woo-woo article you just read. Imbedded in the article was this: http://deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm selected from peer reviewed publications on Psi research. It was not a part of what you read in the first article but was used as reference ? You'll need to look at it and see... Pretty sure you'll recognize these people in peer review and video above as your kinda guys in regards to scientific community fellows. There aren't any sides taken and no claims validated, just good, honest talk on the subject.
