Is the popular Gospel false?

[Starhunter]

I was listening to a speaker who pointed out that there are two gospels in Christendom - one which is false - the popular one.

They are based on different definitions of sin, 1. Sin is inherited, and 2. Sin is about decisions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdzAGQF664k The definition of sin.

This topic ties in with the humanity of Christ - the most important subject of the gospel. See below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkeHjH3Vg3U

What do you think?

[PaulSacramento]

The sin we inherit is what we die from, the sin that makes us mortal.
Then there are the SINS (plural) that we do in life.

[Starhunter]

The sin we inherit is what we die from, the sin that makes us mortal.
Then there are the SINS (plural) that we do in life.

Are we held guilty by God for that inherited sinful condition? Is guilt is inherited too?

[PaulSacramento]

The sin we inherit is what we die from, the sin that makes us mortal.
Then there are the SINS (plural) that we do in life.

Are we held guilty by God for that inherited sinful condition? Is guilt is inherited too?

Not sure what you mean...are you asking if our notion of guilt is an inherited trait?

[Starhunter]

Are humans lost because they are the descendants of Adam?

[SoCalExile]

If you are unfamiliar with the concept of behavioral epigenetics, here's an explanation. Basically it means that scientifically, the idea that we inherited the sin from the Fall is very much a material concept.

Because of the Fall, we are made slaves to sin. If we weren't, then, "all would not have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", the OT Law would be enough, though unnecessary, and Christ's purchase of our slavery with his death would be a waste of time.

This sermon is about Revelation 5; however, he goes over the particulars of the Fall and Redemption of Christ in detail, which is what that chapter is about.

[jlay]

I listened to part of this.

Part of what i hear him dealing with (subtly) is many of the issues regarding the subject of total depravity in reformed theology, which would definitely hold to what he states as the false gospel. The issue of how we are dead in sin is an age old discussion. However, I'm still wrestling with whether this is a 'false' gospel as he states.

[SoCalExile]

I listened to part of this.

Part of what i hear him dealing with (subtly) is many of the issues regarding the subject of total depravity in reformed theology, which would definitely hold to what he states as the false gospel. The issue of how we are dead in sin is an age old discussion. However, I'm still wrestling with whether this is a 'false' gospel as he states.

ETA: who are you replying to?

If you are replying to me, listen to his series on the seven churches in Revelation, he makes it clear that the Bible says clearly, that salvation is an individual thing, not a church thing. There are people in all seven churches that are saved. I HIGHLY recommend listening to his sermons on those churches before making a judgement on what false gospels are:

http://drwalterbramson.com/category/topics/rev/

Hint: Basically it has a lot to do with things that distract from Christ, to include many things within church history.

[jlay]

I listened to part of this.

Part of what i hear him dealing with (subtly) is many of the issues regarding the subject of total depravity in reformed theology, which would definitely hold to what he states as the false gospel. The issue of how we are dead in sin is an age old discussion. However, I'm still wrestling with whether this is a 'false' gospel as he states.

ETA: who are you replying to?

If you are replying to me, listen to his series on the seven churches in Revelation, he makes it clear that the Bible says clearly, that salvation is an individual thing, not a church thing. There are people in all seven churches that are saved. I HIGHLY recommend listening to his sermons on those churches before making a judgement on what false gospels are:

http://drwalterbramson.com/category/topics/rev/

Hint: Basically it has a lot to do with things that distract from Christ, to include many things within church history.

I'm replying to the OP in regards to "what do you think?"
So, no I'm not replying to you, and not sure why you are bringing up those points to me.

[Starhunter]

If you are unfamiliar with the concept of behavioral epigenetics, here's an explanation. Basically it means that scientifically, the idea that we inherited the sin from the Fall is very much a material concept.

Because of the Fall, we are made slaves to sin. If we weren't, then, "all would not have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", the OT Law would be enough, though unnecessary, and Christ's purchase of our slavery with his death would be a waste of time.

This sermon is about Revelation 5; however, he goes over the particulars of the Fall and Redemption of Christ in detail, which is what that chapter is about.

Can we be held responsible or guilty before God for having inherited the tendencies to sin? Or are we only guilty if we knowingly transgress, or respond to the temptation from within by sinning?

[Starhunter]

I listened to part of this.

Part of what i hear him dealing with (subtly) is many of the issues regarding the subject of total depravity in reformed theology, which would definitely hold to what he states as the false gospel. The issue of how we are dead in sin is an age old discussion. However, I'm still wrestling with whether this is a 'false' gospel as he states.

I am chewing on it too, just weighing up things from either perspective, to see if they fit in with the verses we are so familiar with.

[SoCalExile]

If you are unfamiliar with the concept of behavioral epigenetics, here's an explanation. Basically it means that scientifically, the idea that we inherited the sin from the Fall is very much a material concept.

Because of the Fall, we are made slaves to sin. If we weren't, then, "all would not have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", the OT Law would be enough, though unnecessary, and Christ's purchase of our slavery with his death would be a waste of time.

This sermon is about Revelation 5; however, he goes over the particulars of the Fall and Redemption of Christ in detail, which is what that chapter is about.

Can we be held responsible or guilty before God for having inherited the tendencies to sin? Or are we only guilty if we knowingly transgress, or respond to the temptation from within by sinning?

It's not about guilt; it's about our desire for Christ.

Christianity was never about never-ending cycles of guilt; man created that to control man. We are free in Christ, and the Holy Spirit who is in us, and sanctifies us (Book of Romans).

[PaulSacramento]

Are humans lost because they are the descendants of Adam?

Of course not.

[Audie]

Are humans lost because they are the descendants of Adam?

Of course not.

Sometimes you succeed in making parts of Christianity look reasonable.

Whats with that?

[PaulSacramento]

Are humans lost because they are the descendants of Adam?

Of course not.

Sometimes you succeed in making parts of Christianity look reasonable.

Whats with that?

Of all the religions, Christianity is, when properly understood, the most reasonable IMO.
I say this as someone that has studied a variety of religions before becoming a Christian and it may surprise you to know that for awhile I was close to being a Buddhist than a christian proper.