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[Audie]

You two are pulling my leg, right?

As I would not use such terms I dont know what you mean, why you say it.
If I did say it, I'd hope to be able to explain it, what I mean, why I said it.

And, discuss the implications, if all creatures have non physical mental powers.

It sounds like a subset or new version of vitalism, but I dunno what you are actually talking
about; prease exprain.

[PaulSacramento]

The question was:
Why give human brains special non-physical status?

I tried to explain why human brains can be viewed as having special non-physical status.

If you both believe that there is no difference between a human brain and how humans think and that of a worm.

So be it.

[B. W.]

You two are pulling my leg, right?

Yes they both are - one foot maybe longer than the other by now!

What kind of worms are they referring too is anyone's guess:

http://lhsfoss.org/fossweb/teachers/mat ... worms.html

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/i ... 121AAjwz4p

http://ourteam.biz/anatomy-of-a-worm/

Back in 2010 there was a great stir that touted that human like brains were found in sea worms like the marine ragworm, however, the worm is still a worm with a very small brain that simply houses the nervous system and helps the marine ragworm do whatever marine ragworm do best. Other worms, do not have the brain of a marine ragworm. These studies were used as evidence to support evolution and to butress that humanity is no different than worms

Fascist and progressives hold such views that there is no difference at all between human beings and worms and treat people like worms, bait to buy votes, and low infromation folks used to destroy all goodness in society for mere power and control purposes.

In other words - folks that use worms to support that human beings are no different than worms hold on to a view of - Nothingness - Nihilism. They are defending Nihilism and those two are defending it too.

It makes no sense that Nihilism's nothingness is a superior way to think and base morality on since it ultimately leads to treating folks like worms
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[B. W.]

Paul,

Let us not forget the first liberal was a serpent who spoke - Did God really say...
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[Audie]

The question was:
Why give human brains special non-physical status?

I tried to explain why human brains can be viewed as having special non-physical status.

If you both believe that there is no difference between a human brain and how humans think and that of a worm.

So be it.

If that is what you come up with, perhaps it explains more than you intended, as in how you take something
and rearrange it to taste: shallow, and with little semblance to the original.

What belief is so far off the tracks that it cant be supported that way?
You'd make a good partner for our gappist.

[PaulSacramento]

The question was:
Why give human brains special non-physical status?

I tried to explain why human brains can be viewed as having special non-physical status.

If you both believe that there is no difference between a human brain and how humans think and that of a worm.

So be it.

If that is what you come up with, perhaps it explains more than you intended, as in how you take something
and rearrange it to taste: shallow, and with little semblance to the original.

What belief is so far off the tracks that it cant be supported that way?
You'd make a good partner for our gappist.

You know, for someone that gets so offensive when she PERCEIVES a personal attack, you certainly don't have any issues making them.

The fact that you have no idea what I talking about and can't seem to grasp something basic as "abstract thought" ( which animals other than humans do NOT have) or the simple fact that the very activity you are doing NOW ( discussing and debating abstract notions) is not something that animals do, well...I just don't know what to do with that.

[Audie]

You two are pulling my leg, right?

Yes they both are - one foot maybe longer than the other by now!

What kind of worms are they referring too is anyone's guess:

http://lhsfoss.org/fossweb/teachers/mat ... worms.html

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/i ... 121AAjwz4p

http://ourteam.biz/anatomy-of-a-worm/

Back in 2010 there was a great stir that touted that human like brains were found in sea worms like the marine ragworm, however, the worm is still a worm with a very small brain that simply houses the nervous system and helps the marine ragworm do whatever marine ragworm do best. Other worms, do not have the brain of a marine ragworm. These studies were used as evidence to support evolution and to butress that humanity is no different than worms

Fascist and progressives hold such views that there is no difference at all between human beings and worms and treat people like worms, bait to buy votes, and low infromation folks used to destroy all goodness in society for mere power and control purposes.

In other words - folks that use worms to support that human beings are no different than worms hold on to a view of - Nothingness - Nihilism. They are defending Nihilism and those two are defending it too.

It makes no sense that Nihilism's nothingness is a superior way to think and base morality on since it ultimately leads to treating folks like worms
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Just so you know, you are chanting to the sycophants, i will not be responding to your posts. I dont have a front end loader for your manure.

[Audie]

The question was:
Why give human brains special non-physical status?

I tried to explain why human brains can be viewed as having special non-physical status.

If you both believe that there is no difference between a human brain and how humans think and that of a worm.

So be it.

If that is what you come up with, perhaps it explains more than you intended, as in how you take something
and rearrange it to taste: shallow, and with little semblance to the original.

What belief is so far off the tracks that it cant be supported that way?
You'd make a good partner for our gappist.

You know, for someone that gets so offensive when she PERCEIVES a personal attack, you certainly don't have any issues making them.

The fact that you have no idea what I talking about and can't seem to grasp something basic as "abstract thought" ( which animals other than humans do NOT have) or the simple fact that the very activity you are doing NOW ( discussing and debating abstract notions) is not something that animals do, well...I just don't know what to do with that.

I know what you can do with your so called facts.

[PaulSacramento]

I know what you can do with your so called facts.

Classy and more than enough for me.

[Morny]

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's[sic] physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).

Does the "which" clause modify "physical capacities"? If so, what do you mean by "physical capacities"? (for clarity, give examples)

And what do you mean by "properties"? (for clarity, give examples)

[abelcainsbrother]

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's[sic] physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).

Does the "which" clause modify "physical capacities"? If so, what do you mean by "physical capacities"? (for clarity, give examples)

And what do you mean by "properties"? (for clarity, give examples)

How about you just look around you at what the human mind has produced?What have worms or animals did compared to the human mind because it can think,reason and use logic?Interestingly enough this would totally give credence to what God's word said because humans were created in the image of God and Jesus told us that we are more valued than birds or animals,every hair on our head is numbered.So we have logic,reason and evidence on our side,not brainwashing to think humans are animals and of no more of importance than animals. And yet you have never seen any life evolve like what has been taught for 150 years but yet you believe all life is related and so humans are animals because we evolved from them based on brainwashing philosophy and blind faith.

It is not my intention to turn this into an anti-evolution thread as I'm just making a point.This is about logic,reason and evidence more than evolution,but evolution science has infected the whole culture and the way modern people view things today.

Cheap birds.
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=4foGkhL2Bmk

[Kurieuo]

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's[sic] physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).

Does the "which" clause modify "physical capacities"? If so, what do you mean by "physical capacities"? (for clarity, give examples)

And what do you mean by "properties"? (for clarity, give examples)

I doubt that PaulS could do it justice in a thread where the desire is to argue to protect a Physicalist mindset.

Thomas Nagel (Atheist) caused a ruckus in recent years, with his Mind and the Cosmos.
I think Nagel is deluding himself into thinking some "laws" can be found for the immaterial akin the the physical, but nonetheless enjoyed his thoughts.
And he summaries within the past century of thoughts by respected thinkers and where it's all lead.
It'll likely become a required read for many on mind-body.

Now, I'm not telling you what to believe.
But if you're really interested in such questions you're asking PaulS, rather than looking for an opening to stab, then take a stroll around the Internet just reading about the controversy surrounding Nagel.

Doing this will: 1) It'll be more interesting seeing the venom fly while 2) giving you a bit more understanding in the issues.
Perhaps it'll whet your appetite to investigate such matters further out of interest rather than a feeling of being affronted.

[Morny]

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's[sic] physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).

Does the "which" clause modify "physical capacities"? If so, what do you mean by "physical capacities"? (for clarity, give examples)

And what do you mean by "properties"? (for clarity, give examples)

I doubt that PaulS could do it justice [...]

PaulS should be able simply and clearly state his claim. I'm not asking for a philosophical tome. After repeated unanswered straightforward questions, Audie and I still don't understand his claim.

[B. W.]

..Just so you know, you are chanting to the sycophants, i will not be responding to your posts. I dont have a front end loader for your manure.

Physical Characteristic

This is an Earth Worm:


This is a Human Toddler:


Audie - you are chanting to the sycophants, there are no similarities between worms and humans...

Your and Morny's argument is spurious...

...built upon Association Fallacies


Brilliant - worms have brains therefore worms consciousness and morality levels are equal to humans! Absolutely brilliant - Sherlock!
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[PaulSacramento]

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's[sic] physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).

Does the "which" clause modify "physical capacities"? If so, what do you mean by "physical capacities"? (for clarity, give examples)

And what do you mean by "properties"? (for clarity, give examples)

I doubt that PaulS could do it justice [...]

PaulS should be able simply and clearly state his claim. I'm not asking for a philosophical tome. After repeated unanswered straightforward questions, Audie and I still don't understand his claim.

I am gonna say something and it might come off the wrong way but I don't know how else to say it:
That you don't understand is the problem, but it isn't MY problem.
Honestly, if you don't understand what I am saying there is nothing I can do, I can't explain it any simpler...