Declining

[EssentialSacrifice]

2 Timothy3 This quite literally says nearly it all....

yes Usagi,

So just to clear it up you think this decline will somehow result in a reform in some way and Christianity will bounce back

and it will be world wide, not just Europe ... John 16:33

[UsagiTsukino]

But much of the world like Asia, Middle East and Africa has increased quickly.Latin American and The US are more back and forth but are in good numbers. Why Europe is experience this I am not sure but and no one hate me I don't think it's the end since this kinda of thing has happened before in the world and other places.

[UsagiTsukino]

I hope Christianity really does bounce

[Mallz]

I hope Christianity really does bounce

Be at peace sister
It'll rebound real soon with the coming of our Lord to the Earth ^_^

[UsagiTsukino]

I wonder there have been at least a couple of Christan churches that have been increasing instead of decline. In evangelical Protestant tradition – including the Southern Baptist Convention, the Assemblies of God, Churches of Christ, the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, the Presbyterian Church. You think this could be a good sign? I mean this hasn't been the first time the US that Christianity has declined right?

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/reli ... 2010-2050/

This is interesting because people who are the nones will decline instead of increase

[stuartcr]

More people, I guess.

Do you believe the quote by Gibran? If faith is beyond the reach of proof, wouldn't that mean that anyone's faith is just as valid as another's?

[RickD]

More people, I guess.

Do you believe the quote by Gibran? If faith is beyond the reach of proof, wouldn't that mean that anyone's faith is just as valid as another's?

It's not the type of faith that matters. It's the object of that faith. Specifically, faith in Christ.

It's a little long, but this may help:
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/how-can- ... way-to-god

[stuartcr]

More people, I guess.

Do you believe the quote by Gibran? If faith is beyond the reach of proof, wouldn't that mean that anyone's faith is just as valid as another's?

It's not the type of faith that matters. It's the object of that faith. Specifically, faith in Christ.

It's a little long, but this may help:
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/how-can- ... way-to-god

That is what I was talking about, the object of that faith. As a non-Christian that believes in one God, why isn't that faith as valid as anyone elses', if the proof of it is beyond reach?

[RickD]

More people, I guess.

Do you believe the quote by Gibran? If faith is beyond the reach of proof, wouldn't that mean that anyone's faith is just as valid as another's?

It's not the type of faith that matters. It's the object of that faith. Specifically, faith in Christ.

It's a little long, but this may help:
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/how-can- ... way-to-god

That is what I was talking about, the object of that faith. As a non-Christian that believes in one God, why isn't that faith as valid as anyone elses', if the proof of it is beyond reach?

The proof? Faith in God is there for anyone who truly wants to see. Seek God and you shall find Him.

[stuartcr]

So the Gibran quote is not valid?

Does this mean that the proof for everyone that has ever lived, that had faith in God, sought Him out, and believed with every fragment of their being, but are not Christian, is as valid as yours?

[RickD]

So the Gibran quote is not valid?

Does this mean that the proof for everyone that has ever lived, that had faith in God, sought Him out, and believed with every fragment of their being, but are not Christian, is as valid as yours?

I'm not sure "proof" is the right word...
Again, it gets back to the object of the faith.

God promises that all who truly seek Him, will find Him. There are countless examples of people who were Muslims, atheists, deists, etc., who truly sought God, and He made Himself known to them.

[stuartcr]

So the Gibran quote is not valid?

Does this mean that the proof for everyone that has ever lived, that had faith in God, sought Him out, and believed with every fragment of their being, but are not Christian, is as valid as yours?

I'm not sure "proof" is the right word...
Again, it gets back to the object of the faith.

God promises that all who truly seek Him, will find Him. There are countless examples of people who were Muslims, atheists, deists, etc., who truly sought God, and He made Himself known to them.

Do you believe those non-Christians went to heaven?

[RickD]

So the Gibran quote is not valid?

Does this mean that the proof for everyone that has ever lived, that had faith in God, sought Him out, and believed with every fragment of their being, but are not Christian, is as valid as yours?

I'm not sure "proof" is the right word...
Again, it gets back to the object of the faith.

God promises that all who truly seek Him, will find Him. There are countless examples of people who were Muslims, atheists, deists, etc., who truly sought God, and He made Himself known to them.

Do you believe those non-Christians went to heaven?

Key word is "were". What I meant, is that they were Muslims, atheists, deists, etc., before they sought God with all their heart. Sorry for the confusion.

[stuartcr]

So, do you believe that there are no non-Christians that have ever found Him?

[Kurieuo]

Do you believe that there are non-Christians that have found Him?