Finally Picked a creation stance.

[Kurieuo]

I'm not sure what you mean by "if it was not for the theory of evolution based on the forensic geological evidence nobody would believe all things have gone on continually for millions of years", but...

Re: Day-Age PC, just give it time ACB. You'll come around.

[abelcainsbrother]

I'm not sure what you mean by "if it was not for the theory of evolution based on the forensic geological evidence nobody would believe all things have gone on continually for millions of years", but...

Re: Day-Age PC, just give it time ACB. You'll come around.

There is no reason based on the evidence in the earth and go by the science based on evolution to believe all things have gone on for billions or millions of years.Scientists look at all of the evidence as if lfe evolves,this causes them to make sure at least some life always survives the extinction events,it is so that life can evolve in a never ending chain of evolution but since not one scientist has demonstrated life evolves there is no reason to interpret the evidence like this,like ya'll do.
Gap theorists do not interpret the evidence from this perspective as we believe the evidence of the fossils,coal and oil,ett proves the bible true when it reveals to us a former world perished in which all life in the former world died because God turned the sun off,then there was a gap of time until God made this world we now live in with all of the life we see in this world and we can compare the kinds of life that lived in the former world to the life God made in this world " after their kind"

[abelcainsbrother]

We can look at fossils and see that roaches and silver fish have not evolved for millons of years but the roaches were much bigger in the former world,this s just one example:-)

[Kurieuo]

I'm not sure what you mean by "if it was not for the theory of evolution based on the forensic geological evidence nobody would believe all things have gone on continually for millions of years", but...

Re: Day-Age PC, just give it time ACB. You'll come around.

There is no reason based on the evidence in the earth and go by the science based on evolution to believe all things have gone on for billions or millions of years.Scientists look at all of the evidence as if lfe evolves,this causes them to make sure at least some life always survives the extinction events,it is so that life can evolve in a never ending chain of evolution but since not one scientist has demonstrated life evolves there is no reason to interpret the evidence like this,like ya'll do.
Gap theorists do not interpret the evidence from this perspective as we believe the evidence of the fossils,coal and oil,ett proves the bible true when it reveals to us a former world perished in which all life in the former world died because God turned the sun off,then there was a gap of time until God made this world we now live in with all of the life we see in this world and we can compare the kinds of life that lived in the former world to the life God made in this world " after their kind"

Two points I'd like you to reflect upon.

1) Scientists don't believe things have gone on for billions or millions of year due to "biological evolution".

2) Day-Age/PC doesn't embrace biological evolution.
To be specific, it rejects that all life shares a common ancestor from which all life evolved through purely natural processes.

[abelcainsbrother]

I'm not sure what you mean by "if it was not for the theory of evolution based on the forensic geological evidence nobody would believe all things have gone on continually for millions of years", but...

Re: Day-Age PC, just give it time ACB. You'll come around.

There is no reason based on the evidence in the earth and go by the science based on evolution to believe all things have gone on for billions or millions of years.Scientists look at all of the evidence as if lfe evolves,this causes them to make sure at least some life always survives the extinction events,it is so that life can evolve in a never ending chain of evolution but since not one scientist has demonstrated life evolves there is no reason to interpret the evidence like this,like ya'll do.
Gap theorists do not interpret the evidence from this perspective as we believe the evidence of the fossils,coal and oil,ett proves the bible true when it reveals to us a former world perished in which all life in the former world died because God turned the sun off,then there was a gap of time until God made this world we now live in with all of the life we see in this world and we can compare the kinds of life that lived in the former world to the life God made in this world " after their kind"

Two points I'd like you to reflect upon.

1) Scientists don't believe things have gone on for billions or millions of year due to "biological evolution".

2) Day-Age/PC doesn't embrace biological evolution.
To be specific, it rejects that all life shares a common ancestor from which all life evolved through purely natural processes.

It is true that science discovered the earth is millions of years old before evolution but all of the science today was produced based on the belief that life evolves which causes scientists to keep at least some life alive in an everlasting chain of evolution and it is because of this that we today believe all things have gone on continually for millions of years even if we reject evolution. I did not sayDay-Age\progressive accepts evolution but just because the earth is billions of years old does not mean all things have gone on continually like science teaches us. Whether you accept evolution or not.Why is it that Day-Age\progressives believe it has went on continually? Why believe this especially if they reject evolution? Just because the earth is very old is not proof all things have gone on continually for millions of years.But it gets worse for science because it is because of this belief life evolves that they have also made evolution apply to the universe and have trampled all over the laws of physics and still do and all to push this naturalistic evolution nonsense,even when not one scientist has ever demonstrated life evolves.

[neo-x]

ACB, as Pauli would say "this is not even wrong."

[abelcainsbrother]

Should I post the debate between William Lane Craig and Sean Carroll? I really believe theistic evolutionists are in trouble because of naturalism in science.I think they are trying to find a way to kick theists out whether they accept evolution or not,now I also believe that they cannot demonstrate naturalism now and will not be able to in the future but,my point is that science is trying to show there is no need for God.

[neo-x]

Science doesn't say that, some scientists do.

[abelcainsbrother]

Science doesn't say that, some scientists do.

I know,Sean Carroll is not the only scientist but science is looking at and examining everything from a naturalistic view point and most scientists are atheists.

[neo-x]

Wrong, many scientists are theists. Science isn't saying anything about God, one way or the other, anymore than literature says anything about anyone's personality.

Science has nothing to do with God and that is the lack you mistake with atheism. It isn't so. Just like the Bible has nothing to do with making a nuke, similarly science has nothing to do with God. It isn't its field.

[abelcainsbrother]

Neo, here read this and see if you think certain scientists are trying to trample on the 2nd law in order to push naturalism in science. To me I see a total disrespect of the 2nd law and all to push naturalism. But here is the article,see what you think.
http://phys.org/news/2015-02-quantum-sc ... amics.html

[neo-x]

That's the question, which scientists? there are hundreds of thousands of scientists and not everyone has the same opinion. It is like saying that Christians say the wicked shall be saved. well not all Christians are saying that.

[RickD]

ACB,

By throwing out science because of some bad scientists,is like throwing out scripture because you don't like Benny Hinn!

[abelcainsbrother]

Wrong, many scientists are theists. Science isn't saying anything about God, one way or the other, anymore than literature says anything about anyone's personality.

Science has nothing to do with God and that is the lack you mistake with atheism. It isn't so. Just like the Bible has nothing to do with making a nuke, similarly science has nothing to do with God. It isn't its field.

I hope you are right,I do,and you might be as I do know this the science that has come out has not contradicted the bible,despite evolution and naturalism and it points to God at least starting everything off,so maybe you are right.

[Kurieuo]

ACB,

By throwing out science because of some bad scientists,is like throwing out scripture because you don't like Benny Hinn!

I like Scripture because it contradicts Benny Hinn.