Healthy skepticism of ALL worldviews is good. Skeptical of non-belief like found in Atheism? Post your challenging questions. Responses are encouraged.
If you knew theism was false, would'nt you become Atheist?
Unnecessary, if, acknowledging there is no theism, why would there even be atheism ? There is no light if everywhere, there is darkness.
My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false.
Ken
Here we go again...
Kenny,
You do realize if theism is false, that's the same as saying theism doesn't exist, don't you?
No! As long as there are people who believe God exists, there will be theist.
Ken
That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.
Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.
Get it? Got it? Good!
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
RickD wrote:
That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.
Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.
Get it? Got it? Good!
No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.
Ken
RickD wrote
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
RickD wrote:
That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.
Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.
Get it? Got it? Good!
No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.
Ken
Kenny,
Answer true or false?
Theism is belief in the existence of God or gods?
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
RickD wrote:
That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.
Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.
Get it? Got it? Good!
No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.
Ken
Kenny,
Answer true or false?
Theism is belief in the existence of God or gods?
True
K
RickD wrote
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false
doesn't no theism = theism was false ? If theism was false there would be no theism, therefore no reason to be an atheist
No; my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?
and why would I become something completely opposite to what I believed, when that belief was (turned out to be) false ? There would be no reason for me to affiliate myself with atheism when the reason for the word (atheism) is falsified.
Can you be a dog catcher if there aren't any dogs... even if you never believed there were dogs ? And if, we were to find out there never were any dogs, why would you call yourself an antidog catcher ?... after finding out the idea of dogs was false ?
Trust the past to God’s mercy, the present to God’s love, and the future to God’s providence. -St Augustine
My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false
doesn't no theism = theism was false ? If theism was false there would be no theism, therefore no reason to be an atheist
No; my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?
and why would I become something completely opposite to what I believed, when that belief was (turned out to be) false ? There would be no reason for me to affiliate myself with atheism when the reason for the word (atheism) is falsified.
Can you be a dog catcher if there aren't any dogs... even if you never believed there were dogs ? And if, we were to find out there never were any dogs, why would you call yourself an antidog catcher ?... after finding out the idea of dogs was false ?
I had heard WLC give the "yes" response to someone but I guess I can see your point.
Kind of like when harris, hitchens and dawkins say they don't like the word atheism cos it's not like there's any word to describe someone who doesn't believe in santa or the tooth fairy
RickD wrote:
That's my point Kenny. Theism is defined as:
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.
Theism is a belief system. If it's false, that would mean it's not a belief system, and therefore if it's not what it is, it doesn't exist.
Get it? Got it? Good!
No, if Theism is false that simply makes it a false belief system.
Ken
Kenny,
Answer true or false?
Theism is belief in the existence of God or gods?
True
K
Very Good. You're learning at your own pace, but you're still learning.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
My scenario was not about "no theism" it was about if you knew theism was false
EssentialSacrifice wrote:doesn't no theism = theism was false ?
No it does not. No theism: means nobody believes in God. Weather God exists or not is irrelevant. Theism is false: Means of all the people who believe in various Gods, they are all wrong because God does not exist.
EssentialSacrifice wrote:If theism was false there would be no theism, therefore no reason to be an atheist
Going by that logic, if (for example) Hinduism were a false religion, Hindus would not exist. The fact that India has a billion of 'em proves just because something is false doesn't mean there will not be those who believe it to be true.
Ken
RickD wrote
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
