A question for atheists

[Kenny]

Kenny needs to realize that he cannot bring up other god's anyway when it comes to Pascal's Wager instead he must consider heaven/hell vs We just die and thats it,which is what atheists believe so based on this Kenny cannot ask what would we do if we were wrong because if we were wrong we would not even know or realize we believed in Jesus and were wrong but if Kenny is wrong he is in trouble.A person just cannot hedge their bets with atheism at all and atheism has no evidence behind it,even false religions have more evidence than atheism does.Pascal was a gambling man and knew about odds of winning.

Wrong. Pascal's Wager is supposed to look at things from the Atheist POV which sees all religions as equally flawed, not the Christians who only see their religion as authentic. Thus your argument fails.

Ken

We can apply Pascal's wager to false religions and atheism

But the rebuttal is about all religions.

atheists believe there is no god,no afterlife and when you die,thats it.

No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Atheists cannot bring up other god's they don't even believe in.

In response to Pascal’s wager, we already do!

This means if you are wrong,you are in trouble.

And if you are wrong, you are in trouble as well!

Religions can debate and compare evidence to know which God is true,

They have been doing this for a thousand years, and still can’t agree.

atheists cannot do this as they believe there is no afterlife and don't know about god's and religions.I can say to you that I win no matter what whether Christianity is true or not,but you lose if you are wrong.

As I said before, if another religion is right, you lose as well.


Ken

[RickD]

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

[Kenny]

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

[abelcainsbrother]

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

So you believe in reincarnation then? It still does not change my point.You are borrowing from religion in order to defend atheism and for nothing because if you are wrong,you're in trouble,not me.Atheism does not believe in an afterlife and you know it.Look at all the hoops you are trying to jump through in order to defend atheism.Buddhists follow the teaching of Buddha but he does not call himself a god.

Patients for you
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tc2WxebeJtA

[Kenny]

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

So you believe in reincarnation then?

I never said that!

It still does not change my point.You are borrowing from religion in order to defend atheism

We're talking about "theism" not religion. You DO know the difference; do you?

and for nothing because if you are wrong,you're in trouble,not me.

And if you're wrong, you are in trouble.

Atheism does not believe in an afterlife and you know it.

Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Look at all the hoops you are trying to jump through in order to defend atheism.Buddhists follow the teaching of Buddha but he does not call himself a god.

There is nothing about Atheism to defend! I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic and claims!

Ken

[abelcainsbrother]

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

So you believe in reincarnation then?

I never said that!

It still does not change my point.You are borrowing from religion in order to defend atheism

We're talking about "theism" not religion. You DO know the difference; do you?

and for nothing because if you are wrong,you're in trouble,not me.

And if you're wrong, you are in trouble.

Atheism does not believe in an afterlife and you know it.

Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Look at all the hoops you are trying to jump through in order to defend atheism.Buddhists follow the teaching of Buddha but he does not call himself a god.

There is nothing about Atheism to defend! I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic and claims!

Ken

What do you know about religion and other god's in order to think I'm in trouble if I'm wrong? I have compared evidence and religions and know that if somehow Christianity was false the other god's and religions would be too and I would just die and not even know I believed in Jesus so I cannot lose.My odds are sound.

[RickD]

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

[Kenny]

Kenny wrote:
No, there are plenty of Atheists who believe in an afterlife like reincarnation. Atheists just don’t recognize a deity; that’s it; anything else you shouldn't speculate on.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife like reincarnation? Really?

Do you realize how logically inconsistent that would be?

Atheists claim they don't believe in God because they think there's a lack of evidence, regarding God's existence. And since there's absolutely no evidence for reincarnation, that just isn't logical. In fact, for an atheist to believe in anything metaphysical, is not logically consistent with a belief that God doesn't exist.

Many sects of Buddism are considered Atheist because they don't believe in a Deity, yet they believe in reincarnation. All beliefs can look "logically inconsistent" to the non believer; even yours.

Ken

So you believe in reincarnation then?

I never said that!

It still does not change my point.You are borrowing from religion in order to defend atheism

We're talking about "theism" not religion. You DO know the difference; do you?

and for nothing because if you are wrong,you're in trouble,not me.

And if you're wrong, you are in trouble.

Atheism does not believe in an afterlife and you know it.

Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Look at all the hoops you are trying to jump through in order to defend atheism.Buddhists follow the teaching of Buddha but he does not call himself a god.

There is nothing about Atheism to defend! I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic and claims!

Ken

What do you know about religion and other god's in order to think I'm in trouble if I'm wrong? I have compared evidence and religions and know that if somehow Christianity was false the other god's and religions would be too and I would just die and not even know I believed in Jesus so I cannot lose.My odds are sound.

We are discussing Pascal's wager. Pascal's wager does not include your evidence. Care to try again?

Ken

[Kenny]

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

[RickD]

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

Kenny,

A belief system, is just a term that means, "a set of beliefs". And atheism is a set of beliefs. Why you would even want to deny that, is beyond reason.
Kenny,

I'm not saying that all atheists believe all the same things. Just like not all theists believe the same things.

But at the very least, all atheists believe:

1. The universe came to exist in a way other than "God did it".

2. Morals come from something other than God.

Those are a set of beliefs, or a belief system.

[Kenny]

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

Kenny,

A belief system, is just a term that means, "a set of beliefs". And atheism is a set of beliefs. Why you would even want to deny that, is beyond reason.
Kenny,

I'm not saying that all atheists believe all the same things. Just like not all theists believe the same things.

But at the very least, all atheists believe:

1. The universe came to exist in a way other than "God did it".

2. Morals come from something other than God.

Those are a set of beliefs, or a belief system.

We've been over this time and time again. If you wish to redefine the term Atheism to fit your agenda, if you wish to redefine belief systems to include those ridiculas examples you gave, knock yourself out! But don't expect to be taken seriously to anybody outside the religious community (and probably not half of them either)

Peace bro
Ken

[RickD]

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

Kenny,

A belief system, is just a term that means, "a set of beliefs". And atheism is a set of beliefs. Why you would even want to deny that, is beyond reason.
Kenny,

I'm not saying that all atheists believe all the same things. Just like not all theists believe the same things.

But at the very least, all atheists believe:

1. The universe came to exist in a way other than "God did it".

2. Morals come from something other than God.

Those are a set of beliefs, or a belief system.

We've been over this time and time again. If you wish to redefine the term Atheism to fit your agenda, if you wish to redefine belief systems to include those ridiculas examples you gave, knock yourself out! But don't expect to be taken seriously to anybody outside the religious community (and probably not half of them either)

Peace bro
Ken

Ok Kenny.

Two questions that you need to answer now.
1) how am I redefining atheism?

2) what agenda do I have?

[Kenny]

kenny wrote:
Of course not! Atheism is not a belief system.

Of course it is Kenny! You are being ridiculous!

Here's a good linkabout atheism as a belief system, for those interested:

Believing Sweden does not exist is not a "belief system" it is a claim that can be refuted by taking a Jet to Sweden. Atheism is no more a belief system than not believing in the existence of Sweden. Care to try again?

Ken

Kenny,

A belief system, is just a term that means, "a set of beliefs". And atheism is a set of beliefs. Why you would even want to deny that, is beyond reason.
Kenny,

I'm not saying that all atheists believe all the same things. Just like not all theists believe the same things.

But at the very least, all atheists believe:

1. The universe came to exist in a way other than "God did it".

2. Morals come from something other than God.

Those are a set of beliefs, or a belief system.

We've been over this time and time again. If you wish to redefine the term Atheism to fit your agenda, if you wish to redefine belief systems to include those ridiculas examples you gave, knock yourself out! But don't expect to be taken seriously to anybody outside the religious community (and probably not half of them either)

Peace bro
Ken

Ok Kenny.

Two questions that you need to answer now.
1) how am I redefining atheism?

By trying to define it as a belief system

2) what agenda do I have?

To make it out to be a belief system. It also appears to me you are trying to give the impression Atheism is an alternative to religion for non believers.

Ken

[EssentialSacrifice]

RickD wrote:
Ok Kenny.

Two questions that you need to answer now.
1) how am I redefining atheism?

ken:
By trying to define it as a belief system

How would you define atheism? What rules should we follow ...

[RickD]

RickD wrote:
Ok Kenny.

Two questions that you need to answer now.
1) how am I redefining atheism?

Ken wrote:
By trying to define it as a belief system

I'm not defining atheism as a belief system, Kenny. It's already defined as a belief. Specifically, a belief that God or gods don't exist.

While I admit that weak atheists, or agnostic atheists may not go as far as believing that God doesn't exist.

RickD wrote:
2) what agenda do I have?

Ken wrote:
To make it out to be a belief system. It also appears to me you are trying to give the impression Atheism is an alternative to religion for non believers.

Kenny,
Could you explain what you mean by the underlined?