Greatest Threat to Australia, Europe, and America

[B. W.]

Hijrah

Quran 4:100, He who emigrates in the way of Allah will find in the earth enough room for refuge and plentiful resources. And he who goes forth from his house as a migrant in the way of Allah and His Messenger, and whom death overtakes, his reward becomes incumbent on Allah. Surely Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate. 131

Islamic commentary on his verse sites:

131. It should be understood clearly that it is only permissible for a person who believes in the true religion enjoined by God to live under the dominance of an un-Islamic system on one of the following conditions. First, that the believer struggles to put an end to the hegemony of the un-Islamic system and to have it replaced by the Islamic system of life, as the Prophets and their early followers had done. Second, that he lacks the means to get out of his homeland and thus stays there, but does so with utmost disinclination and unhappiness.

If neither of these conditions exist, a believer who continues to live in a land where an un-Islamic order prevails, commits an act of continuous sin. To say that one has no Islamic state to go to does not hold water. For if no Islamic state exists, are there no mountains or forests from where one could eke out a living by eating leaves and drinking the milk of goats and sheep, and thus avoid living in a state of submission to unbelief.

Some people have misunderstood the tradition which says: 'There is no hijrah after the conquest of Makka' (Bukhari, 'Sayd', 10; 'Jihad', 1, 27, 194; Tirmidhi, 'Siyar', 33; Nasa'i, 'Bay'ah', 15, etc. - Ed.) This tradition is specifically related to the people of Arabia of that time and does not embody a permanent injunction. At the time when the greater part of Arabia constituted the Domain of Unbelief (Dar al-Kufr) or the Domain of War (Dar al-Harb), and Islamic laws were being enforced only in Madina and its outskirts, the Muslims were emphatically directed to join and keep together. But when unbelief lost its strength and elan after the conquest of Makka, and almost the entire peninsula came under the dominance of Islam, the Prophet (peace be on him) declared that migration was no longer needed. This does not mean, however, that the duty to migrate was abolished for Muslims all over the world for all time to come regardless of the circumstances in which they lived.

Quran 4:101, When you go forth journeying in the land, there is no blame on you if you shorten the Prayer,132 (especially) if you fear that the unbelievers might cause you harm.133 Surely the unbelievers are your open enemies.

Quoted from this Islamic website, caution

Comment: Note the contradiction - Surely Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate - and then - unbelievers are your open enemies
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[abelcainsbrother]

I agree and I've been warning about this for years. They come in and use the freedoms in the west against itself and once they have a big enough population they then use it politically to get their way and they push for Sharia Law. The politicians are mostly thinking political power but money in politics is very persuasive and muslims have alot of money.Muslim men can have more than one wife and they have children which helps increase their population and if a muslim man marries an American woman especially if it is a Pastor's daughter he will be taken care of financially by rich muslims back in the Middle East. Their goal is to convert the world to Islam and most are not in a hurry and use silent Jihad.They are the Leopard in bible prophecy because they come in and blend in to whatever country it is,they are camoflauged.

[B. W.]

I agree and I've been warning about this for years. They come in and use the freedoms in the west against itself and once they have a big enough population they then use it politically to get their way and they push for Sharia Law. The politicians are mostly thinking political power but money in politics is very persuasive and muslims have alot of money.Muslim men can have more than one wife and they have children which helps increase their population and if a muslim man marries an American woman especially if it is a Pastor's daughter he will be taken care of financially by rich muslims back in the Middle East. Their goal is to convert the world to Islam and most are not in a hurry and use silent Jihad.They are the Leopard in bible prophecy because they come in and blend in to whatever country it is,they are camoflauged.

You have that right!

How would you answer the diatribe of we must accept Muslim refuges on humanitarian grounds?
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[abelcainsbrother]

I agree and I've been warning about this for years. They come in and use the freedoms in the west against itself and once they have a big enough population they then use it politically to get their way and they push for Sharia Law. The politicians are mostly thinking political power but money in politics is very persuasive and muslims have alot of money.Muslim men can have more than one wife and they have children which helps increase their population and if a muslim man marries an American woman especially if it is a Pastor's daughter he will be taken care of financially by rich muslims back in the Middle East. Their goal is to convert the world to Islam and most are not in a hurry and use silent Jihad.They are the Leopard in bible prophecy because they come in and blend in to whatever country it is,they are camoflauged.

You have that right!

How would you answer the diatribe of we must accept Muslim refuges on humanitarian grounds?
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Stupid Idea with the way our current laws are.There needs to be laws in place so that muslims will not want to come here and be a muslim especially since Christians are treated so bad in muslim countries. Muslims do not deserve the freedom the US has because of Christianity,instead they should stay in muslim country if they want to be a muslim and like it so much.The Russian President Putin has made it clear that regardless how how many muslims cry,Russia will not accept Sharia Law ever.

[abelcainsbrother]

I agree and I've been warning about this for years. They come in and use the freedoms in the west against itself and once they have a big enough population they then use it politically to get their way and they push for Sharia Law. The politicians are mostly thinking political power but money in politics is very persuasive and muslims have alot of money.Muslim men can have more than one wife and they have children which helps increase their population and if a muslim man marries an American woman especially if it is a Pastor's daughter he will be taken care of financially by rich muslims back in the Middle East. Their goal is to convert the world to Islam and most are not in a hurry and use silent Jihad.They are the Leopard in bible prophecy because they come in and blend in to whatever country it is,they are camoflauged.

You have that right!

How would you answer the diatribe of we must accept Muslim refuges on humanitarian grounds?
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Stupid Idea with the way our current laws are.There needs to be laws in place so that muslims will not want to come here and be a muslim especially since Christians are treated so bad in muslim countries. Muslims do not deserve the freedom the US has because of Christianity,instead they should stay in muslim country if they want to be a muslim and like it so much.The Russian President Putin has made it clear that regardless how how many muslims cry,Russia will not accept Sharia Law ever.I would rather die than live under Sharia Law.I like any other religion except Islam.I can handle any other religion except Islam.The god muslims serve is a cruel god who puts its people in bondage.

[theophilus]

There needs to be laws in place so that muslims will not want to come here and be a muslim especially since Christians are treated so bad in muslim countries.

Didn't Jesus say we are to love those who persecute us and do good in response to evil?

Muslims do not deserve the freedom the US has because of Christianity,

Neither to the Christians who live in the US. If you were born in a country where you have the freedom to serve God that is a gift God has given you through his grace and not something you deserve. God's blessings come with the responsibilities. "To whom much is given, from him will much be required."

instead they should stay in muslim country if they want to be a muslim and like it so much.

Muslims not only persecute Christian but they also persecute other Muslims who don't interpret the Koran exactly as they do. Many Muslims must leave their homes if they want to live.

The god muslims serve is a cruel god who puts its people in bondage.

And Jesus Christ came to free people from their bondage to sin. The god of Islam is our enemy. Muslims are victims who need to be liberated by the gospel of Christ. Most of the refugees are from countries that don't allow missionaries to come to them and preach the gospel. God is giving Christians the opportunity to share the gospel with them by sending them to us. And there are some Christians who are taking advantage of the opportunity.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/musli ... ch-144736/

[B. W.]

There needs to be laws in place so that muslims will not want to come here and be a muslim especially since Christians are treated so bad in muslim countries.

Didn't Jesus say we are to love those who persecute us and do good in response to evil?

Muslims do not deserve the freedom the US has because of Christianity,

Neither to the Christians who live in the US. If you were born in a country where you have the freedom to serve God that is a gift God has given you through his grace and not something you deserve. God's blessings come with the responsibilities. "To whom much is given, from him will much be required."

instead they should stay in muslim country if they want to be a muslim and like it so much.

Muslims not only persecute Christian but they also persecute other Muslims who don't interpret the Koran exactly as they do. Many Muslims must leave their homes if they want to live.

The god muslims serve is a cruel god who puts its people in bondage.

And Jesus Christ came to free people from their bondage to sin. The god of Islam is our enemy. Muslims are victims who need to be liberated by the gospel of Christ. Most of the refugees are from countries that don't allow missionaries to come to them and preach the gospel. God is giving Christians the opportunity to share the gospel with them by sending them to us. And there are some Christians who are taking advantage of the opportunity.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/musli ... ch-144736/

The question as it appears tossed at the West and Christianity is that Christians must accept Muslims refugees and Islam in order to be considered loving or else they are not being true to Christian faith or Western values. The atheistic secularist ruling elites lecture us on Jesus and christian being all loving and accepting with open loving arms, enemies that desire us dead and the destruction of western civilization is coinciding to to say the least.

This is a tactic used by opposition called, making your enemy live according to their own standards. Recall, in the book of Job first two chapters, the adversary attempted this with God and still does so today. Secularist also use this tactic as do progressive leftist. Christianity is told to Coexist ensuring its own demise to prove itself true to bible injunction to love our enemies, let anyone take our possessions, turn the other cheek, etc and etc. Islam is doing so today and deliberately playing with western elitist leftist sense of moral humanitarianism.

Lesson form the Past

Bernard of Clairvaux from the 1100 AD era was noted for his revival movement that proclaimed the message of God’s grace, calling people to repentance away from temporal pleasures to pursue a 'deeper life' personal relationship with the Lord. He wrote extensively upon the love of God and union with him that reflects to those around a true Christian. He was a walking bible as he memorized most of it and his writing reflect this.

He lived in the era of Muslim Invasions of Spain, Italy, and the west were recent history and constant threat. He understood the emigration tactic of Islam, yet taught on God's love and charity. Despite this, he summoned the leaders of Europe to unite against the threat of Islam threatening Europe. He advocated war in order to persevere christian faith. In his view, a love that does not protect against vileness of beheadings, forced conversions, rape, enslavement, and protect against the eradication of western and Christian civilization is not an act of love worth of being called love the love of God.

He was a vocal opponent against Islam and for good reason and through his efforts, helped stop the Islamic invasion. However, where is the same fervor today from the pulpits and halls of western Govt in the world today?

Our Modern Age

Yet today, with folks in the church speaking Chrislam and bleeding heart politics one wonders if the love they confess is really love at all. Recall God is a jealous God who takes vengeance against his enemies. Yet we are told such love as this, is not love at all. There is a particular context when it is the right thing to do to feed your enemy in order to rain fires of holy conviction upon them as well as turning the other cheek. That purpose is for the purpose of converting though Holy Spirit conviction of moral wrong doing as well as exposing evil within a person so they repent and turn from their wicked ways. However, defending the poor, widows, orphans, even the ability to worship God, also involves a time of war and fighting in order to fully protect.

Being milk toast for Jesus is not gospel. Jesus has said in Luke 22:36 that after he departs, that one is to carry a sword. He mentioned that for a reason. That reason is found in Eccl 3:1-9.

Evil will and always will attempt to have God and his people - pit their own standards against themselves in order to defeat them. With this new invasion of Islam through emigration of refugees playing upon the weakness of sympathy we better get a handle on this asap. Especially when they boldly proclaim they will be the majority soon, and breed children to trample down the west, and Islam's established method of conquest.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lling.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09 ... rity-soon/

https://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/c ... -conquest/

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/muslim-preac ... d-conquer/

Facts are what they are.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09 ... -infidels/

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/major-u-s-ci ... lamic-law/

http://toprightnews.com/muslims-tried-t ... -response/

So how do we respond to this silent invasion of Islam and play on the west's moral sympathy?
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On and aside note:

During the recent visit to the USA by the Pope and his address before the UN. He made much ado about all countries must accept the Islamic refugees to prove ones christian virtue. However, why does not the Pope for example, open the Vatican grounds to accept these refugees? Has that been mentioned? Nooo!

Rather ironic and telling isn't it?

[theophilus]

Bernard of Clairvaux from the 1100 AD era was noted for his revival movement that proclaimed the message of God’s grace, calling people to repentance away from temporal pleasures to pursue a 'deeper life' personal relationship with the Lord. He wrote extensively upon the love of God and union with him that reflects to those around a true Christian. He was a walking bible as he memorized most of it and his writing reflect this.

He lived in the era of Muslim Invasions of Spain, Italy, and the west were recent history and constant threat. He understood the emigration tactic of Islam, yet taught on God's love and charity. Despite this, he summoned the leaders of Europe to unite against the threat of Islam threatening Europe. He advocated war in order to persevere christian faith. In his view, a love that does not protect against vileness of beheadings, forced conversions, rape, enslavement, and protect against the eradication of western and Christian civilization is not an act of love worth of being called love the love of God.

He was a vocal opponent against Islam and for good reason and through his efforts, helped stop the Islamic invasion. However, where is the same fervor today from the pulpits and halls of western Govt in the world today?

I agree completely. We must use military force when necessary to stop Muslim militants. But the subject of this thread isn't the militant Muslims but their victims. In Bernard's time Muslims were united. Today they are divided and some Muslims are the victims of other Muslims. We must both fight the militants and help their victims.

One point that seems to have been overlooked is that not all of the refugees are Muslim. Some of them are Christians who are escaping from persecution.

[abelcainsbrother]

There needs to be laws in place so that muslims will not want to come here and be a muslim especially since Christians are treated so bad in muslim countries.

Didn't Jesus say we are to love those who persecute us and do good in response to evil?

Muslims do not deserve the freedom the US has because of Christianity,

Neither to the Christians who live in the US. If you were born in a country where you have the freedom to serve God that is a gift God has given you through his grace and not something you deserve. God's blessings come with the responsibilities. "To whom much is given, from him will much be required."

instead they should stay in muslim country if they want to be a muslim and like it so much.

Muslims not only persecute Christian but they also persecute other Muslims who don't interpret the Koran exactly as they do. Many Muslims must leave their homes if they want to live.

The god muslims serve is a cruel god who puts its people in bondage.

And Jesus Christ came to free people from their bondage to sin. The god of Islam is our enemy. Muslims are victims who need to be liberated by the gospel of Christ. Most of the refugees are from countries that don't allow missionaries to come to them and preach the gospel. God is giving Christians the opportunity to share the gospel with them by sending them to us. And there are some Christians who are taking advantage of the opportunity.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/musli ... ch-144736/

I'm not for inviting Islamic terrorism to America. Why are You? I love all people but do not like Islam and we reap what we sow. Matthew 24:43. I'm not against Christians fleeing muslim persecution,I'm not against any other religion coming to America,only Islam. I do not like Islam and I know and understand what muslims do once they get a large enough population,they demand Sharia Law and riot in the streets when they don't get Sharia Law and muslim priviliges. They are not coming here to convert to Christianity but to convert the world to Islam.They use the freedoms in the west against itself and try to ruin that country with Islam.Do you want Sharia Law in America? You are inviting it.This is why I say laws need to be changed so that it is impossible for muslims to get Sharia Law in America,regardless of how much they pitch a Islam jihad fit.

[Philip]

We must use military force when necessary to stop Muslim militants. But the subject of this thread isn't the militant Muslims but their victims. In Bernard's time Muslims were united. Today they are divided and some Muslims are the victims of other Muslims.

Well, at a time when militant Islamists of all stripes are trying to infiltrate the U.S., how can you both protect ourselves AND throw open the gates to people we know nothing about? How do you parse the victim refugees from those of evil intent? Can we help the world if we can't keep our borders safe FIRST? Let's not forget, the U.S. YEARLY let's more people come here than ANY other country. Yes, we are to have compassion, but we also have to be wise in who we let in. Obama just wants to throw open the gates without discernment and safety. Bad, bad, TERRIBLE!!!

[edwardmurphy]

Do you want Sharia Law in America? You are inviting it.This is why I say laws need to be changed so that it is impossible for muslims to get Sharia Law in America,regardless of how much they pitch a Islam jihad fit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I can't speak for Australia or Europe, but here in America we have a Constitution that places a wall of separation between Church and State. That's why we don't have a Christian theocracy even though some among us would like one. The same Constitution that prevents organized, well-funded, litigious Christians from turning our nation into a Christian theocracy will also prevent poor, divided, disorganized Muslim war refugees from creating a Muslim theocracy.

Granted, the Constitution isn't carved in stone. All the scary Muslims would have to do is amend it to make Sharia the law of the land. I'm sure that's pretty simple. So let's glance at the process...

1. THE PROPOSAL:

In the U.S. Congress, both the House of Representatives and the Senate approve by a two-thirds supermajority vote, a joint resolution amending the Constitution.

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Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments.

2. THE RATIFICATION:

Three-fourths of the state legislatures approve it

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Ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states approve it.

Right, so it's already completely impossible. The only way the scary Muslims could possibly take over the country and impose Sharia law is if conservative, fundamentalist Muslims from the same sect were the overwhelming majority. At the moment there are about 3.5 million Muslims in the US - that's about 1% of the population - and I doubt they're marching in lockstep. Meanwhile, non-Muslims, most of whom would probably oppose a Sharia law amendment, make up the other 99%. Granted, the Muslim population is projected to double over the next 15 years, narrowing the gap to 2% versus 98%, but that still feels like a comfortable majority.

Long story short, the only way Sharia will ever be the law of the land is if the US has an overwhelmingly large, politically an dogmatically united, conservative Muslim majority. Until then an anti-Sharia law is as necessary as a law prohibiting us from riding pterodactyls or eating french fries after dark. After that point an anti-Sharia law would just be repealed by the conservative Muslim majority. So it's pointless either way.

Anyway, carry on...

[abelcainsbrother]

Do you want Sharia Law in America? You are inviting it.This is why I say laws need to be changed so that it is impossible for muslims to get Sharia Law in America,regardless of how much they pitch a Islam jihad fit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I can't speak for Australia or Europe, but here in America we have a Constitution that places a wall of separation between Church and State. That's why we don't have a Christian theocracy even though some among us would like one. The same Constitution that prevents organized, well-funded, litigious Christians from turning our nation into a Christian theocracy will also prevent poor, divided, disorganized Muslim war refugees from creating a Muslim theocracy.

Granted, the Constitution isn't carved in stone. All the scary Muslims would have to do is amend it to make Sharia the law of the land. I'm sure that's pretty simple. So let's glance at the process...

1. THE PROPOSAL:

In the U.S. Congress, both the House of Representatives and the Senate approve by a two-thirds supermajority vote, a joint resolution amending the Constitution.

or

Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments.

2. THE RATIFICATION:

Three-fourths of the state legislatures approve it

or

Ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states approve it.

Right, so it's already completely impossible. The only way the scary Muslims could possibly take over the country and impose Sharia law is if conservative, fundamentalist Muslims from the same sect were the overwhelming majority. At the moment there are about 3.5 million Muslims in the US - that's about 1% of the population - and I doubt they're marching in lockstep. Meanwhile, non-Muslims, most of whom would probably oppose a Sharia law amendment, make up the other 99%. Granted, the Muslim population is projected to double over the next 15 years, narrowing the gap to 2% versus 98%, but that still feels like a comfortable majority.

Long story short, the only way Sharia will ever be the law of the land is if the US has an overwhelmingly large, politically an dogmatically united, conservative Muslim majority. Until then an anti-Sharia law is as necessary as a law prohibiting us from riding pterodactyls or eating french fries after dark. After that point an anti-Sharia law would just be repealed by the conservative Muslim majority. So it's pointless either way.

Anyway, carry on...

I really think you under-estimate Islamic jihad.Lets say just 1% of the muslim population are terrorists.Have you forgot 9/11 and all of the damage they inflicted?Think of suicide bombers at malls,riots in the streets,suit case size nukes and there is no telling what other kinds of evil plans to terrorize.Do you know how many Islamic terrorist attacks have been stopped since 9/11? I can't remember exactly but it is alot.It only takes one to bring America down.

[theophilus]

I'm not for inviting Islamic terrorism to America. Why are You?

I am opposed to Islamic terrorism too, and one way to fight it is to help its victims whenever we have the opportunity.

I love all people but do not like Islam and we reap what we sow.

If we support Islamic terrorists by refusing to help their victims we will someday reap what we sow by being denied help when we need it.

I'm not against Christians fleeing muslim persecution,I'm not against any other religion coming to America,only Islam.

I believe that Islam is different from other religions in that it was started by Satan for the purpose of bringing the Antichrist into the world. Here is why I believe this:

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2014/ ... abraham-2/

But the best way to fight Islam is to tell Muslims the gospel so they can leave Islam and become followers of Christ.

They are not coming here to convert to Christianity but to convert the world to Islam.

Joseph said to his brothers, "You meant evil against me, but God meant it for good." The God who brought good out of the evil done to Joseph is still in control. Muslims may mean to convert others to Islam but isn't it possible that God is allowing them into other countries so the Christians in those countries can convert them to the truth?

This is why I say laws need to be changed so that it is impossible for muslims to get Sharia Law in America,regardless of how much they pitch a Islam jihad fit.

I agree with this but there is no reason we can't pass laws to protect us from Sharia Law and at the same time help the Muslims who are in need.

[melanie]

Hmmm I honestly just don't get it.
I don't care what the pope says regarding refugees nor do I care how others, be they progressive leftists or atheist secularists interpret scripture to dictate how Christians should be reacting to this issue.
I care about what Jesus taught.
The fact that majority of people opposed to helping the refugees are Christian is such a shame, and leaves me baffled, bewildered and pretty deflated.
To be honest it actually really ticks me off.
People are suffering.
Children are suffering, they are homeless, dying and starving. The Syrian refugee crisis has been called by Amnesty International the biggest refugee crisis of our time.
Millions of people are in need.
I couldn't care less what religion they are.
No, I am not naive.
This is a word that gets thrown around a lot when someone disagrees with the fear and suspicion that is pegged onto the entirety of Muslims, especially when it is a Christian disagreeing.
I am not naive to the agenda of extremists, and the hatred they have for the west.
I am not naive to the damage that hate, suspicion and fear can have on the psyches of those imposing it and to society as a whole. Especially when religion is thrown into the mix.
When you start seeing people as less than, unworthy, evil as a whole then you degenerate them into those that are seen outside of dignity and worth.
That is what Islamic extremist do.
That is NOT what Christians do..... But they are.
What is this? If you can't beat them, join them???

When Jesus spoke the words "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" He did so when Jews were being ruled and persecuted by Rome. He did so under a tyrannical regime.
We act like those words are not relevant in today's environment because of Islamic tyranny. Yet when Jesus spoke of loving your enemy He knew full well the true meaning of enemy. It hung Him on a cross and left Him for dead. He overcame His enemies, through sacrifice and love.

Christians speak a great deal about how evil Islam is and they are right.
Evil has many faces, he works in hate and the best way to instill hate is through fear.
Satan is not riding one horse called Islam. He rides many horses, he has many means and will use evil to create fear, breed more hate and spread fear.
When Christians stand by and turn their hearts cold to the millions of suffering, to children who are in need, who are thirsty, sick, a stranger, in need then evil has already won.

When we can twist the words of Jesus when He says "I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me." To mean everyone but Muslims then the threat of Islam is much greater than realised.
I wonder how Christians can't see what this threat has done to us. It has turned us cold, suspicious, uncaring and hateful.
How clever.
How sad.

I am not denying that threat of Islam, it could be assumed that I am under estimating the threat but in actual fact I see it as far more reaching than perhaps others.
An empire is not raised nor conquered outside the will of God.
Man thinks he rules this world as does satan, both are wrong.
Evil is of the world, and it stinks of it but is not outside Gods plan or end purpose.
None of this is taking God by surprise. His hand is at play in every outcome.
We have nothing to fear. But God.
We do not have to fear worldly events or threats. For they will happen and they will increase.
Jesus knew this, he spoke often about the times to come and He did not call on us to combat it with fear and suspicion.
We are to overcome the world through the light and love of Christ. To overcome the world is not in a physical sense, we can put down our swords that is NOT what Jesus meant. He meant it spiritually. To overcome the world spiritually is to follow the teachings of Jesus. He taught love, compassion, empathy and charity. To ALL.
We don't get to pick and chose when we apply those teachings and to whom.
Jesus NEVER made an exemption, neither should we!

[B. W.]

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