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We all know the story about the Christian owners of a bakery, who refused to bake a cake for a "same sex wedding". What happened when they refused? The govt. fined them. The bakers claimed it was against their religious beliefs.

Well,
Muslim truck drivers refused to transport alcohol, because it was against their religious belief. Their employer fired them for refusing to do their job. So, what happened to them? Did they get fined too? Nope. The court awarded them $240k in damages.

Double standard?
Muslim truckers refuse to deliver beer, win $240K lawsuit


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I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say probably not. It looks like two examples of discriminatory practices. A store owner can't refuse to do business with a person because he doesn't approve of their sexuality, and a company can't fire someone for refusing to do something that violates their sincerely held religious beliefs.

What would happen if a Christian employee at a religiously neutral bakery was fired by the owner for refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding? What if the Christian baker was the only baker on staff and by refusing to bake the cake he put the owner in violation of nondiscrimination laws?

Who knows.

Try this - in the truck driver case imagine that he's a Jew declining to deliver a load of ham or a Christian declining to deliver a truckload of porn. Is it a double standard in either of those instances?
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edwardmurphy wrote:I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say probably not. It looks like two examples of discriminatory practices. A store owner can't refuse to do business with a person because he doesn't approve of their sexuality, and a company can't fire someone for refusing to do something that violates their sincerely held religious beliefs.
The double standard I'm talking about, is from the govt.

On one hand(Muslim drivers), the govt pays someone who refused to do their job on religious objection grounds.

And on the other hand(Christian bakers), the govt. fined someone who refused to do their job on religious objection grounds.

Double standard.
Edwardmurphy wrote:
What would happen if a Christian employee at a religiously neutral bakery was fired by the owner for refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding? What if the Christian baker was the only baker on staff and by refusing to bake the cake he put the owner in violation of nondiscrimination laws?
Don't know what would happen. I'd think the owner should make an attempt to make accommodations for the Christian's beliefs.

The obvious question then, is did the trucking company make an attempt to make accommodations for the truck drivers' beliefs? Or did the truck drivers refusal to do their jobs, cause a hardship to the company? At this point I don't know the answer to either.
em wrote:
Try this - in the truck driver case imagine that he's a Jew declining to deliver a load of ham or a Christian declining to deliver a truckload of porn. Is it a double standard in either of those instances?
I think we'd need to find out if the employees(Muslims, Christians or Jews) informed their employer when they were hired, that they may not be able to fully do their job.

But then we'd get into the issue of if they weren't hired because they couldn't go against their religious beliefs, would that be religious discrimination on the part of the employer, for not hiring them?

Interesting case for sure...
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Re: Double standard?

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It is a double standard, period. You could try to weasel your way out of recognizing the double standard as edwardsmurfy did, above, or just be honest and admit it. Anyway, it's no big deal. Evangelical Christians are the ones targeted for accusations of intolerance now. Evangelicals and Israel, actually.

If you want to be a good Christian these days, become a Roman Catholic or admire Pope Francis at the very least. Even Ellen DeGenerate likes Him, so you're in good company.
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