Kenny wrote:B. W. wrote:You cannot agree that existence has no value and then say it does have value because you says it does.
In fact,Kenny, you don’t agree existence itself has value then how could it have value just because you says it does? The law of non-contradiction is at work here disproving you.
Just because something exist doesn't mean it has value; the value comes when someone values it. If something exists and nobody is aware of its existence, it has no value because nobody will value it. If I say something has value, I obviously value it thus it has value if to nobody but myself.
B. W. wrote:That is called selfishness to the extreme, Kenny, glad you can at least admit this.
Why do you consider it selfish?
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B. W. wrote:Once you die - poof you are gone and the mathematics involved in determining the odds of a very large comet slamming into earth at some point in the future is good. So poof - not matter what you say, in fact, has no value either.
With such line of reasoning the terrorist attacks in France 3 days ago, the Terrorist values killing innocent life. So do they have value because they say so? According to your idea and comments, the answer is yes. But even you know intuit - that what these beast did is wrong and has no value.
Those terrorists probably spent thousands of dollars to accomplish what they did. Obviously those acts had value to them, otherwise they wouldn't have spent the money. Remember; just because something has value doesn't mean it is good.
B. W. wrote:How does your statement, just because something has value doesn't mean it is good fit your,I obviously value it thus it has value if to nobody but myself fit here?
Cocaine has value even though I consider it bad.
When I was 10 years old I had a crush on this girl and she had one on me. I was unable to tell my family about her because her skin was the wrong color and nobody would approve. There came a time when my family was going to move to far away, and when I told her she gave me a small gold plated heart that was split down the middle and she gave half to me and kept the other half herself. Today I still have that gold plated heart. It is very valuable to me, but to anyone else it is worthless.
B. W. wrote:How do you determine if your values are good or bad? How sure are you about what you value - why?
Just to keep things clear, “values” in reference to morality is different from “value” in reference to the cost of a thing.
As far as moral value, if you look at it from my perspective, morals, values, good, and bad, are just labels we attach to human behaviors and character. I believe I’ve already discussed my interpretation of morality with you; if you want me to go over it again I will.
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B. W. wrote:Now if there is no afterlife to hold one to account then all terrorist have gotten away with it and thus absolute human debauchery should be the normal for humanity because nothing matters - that my friend is what your life's philosophy produces, self-evident in the times in which we live.
Society finds it important to enforce laws that punish such behavior BEFORE they die. We aren't in the business of throwing our hands up and saying "Let' em do what they want now and let God punish them after they die" NO! for those who believe in God they will say; "God can punish them after they die, but we gonna get to them first"!
B. W. wrote:In the OT, God sent forth the ability to enact justice upon murders by taking their life. So where did this ability to enact justice within a society come from?
I suspect human nature
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B. W. wrote:Life has value because God is the one who gave it as a gift to humanity so we can be the caretakers of His property exercising dominion (rule) governing by love, justice, mercy. However, the evidence that we fell away from this of our own free moral will is self evident too. God gave gifts to humanity and he does not renege on these despite our abuse and blaming him for giving us responsibility to stop it.
The militant agnostic and atheist would be the first to agree that being made an automaton would not be just as it denies liberty of reason and thought, yet, they demand that if there was a just God, God should have made humanity automatons.
Actually if the option were to live as an automaton for 80 or so years or whatever time I spend on earth; and have a guaranteed ticket to an eternal heaven upon death, or be given freewill for the 80 years and take a chance of making mistakes that lead to an eternal hell, I would choose the life of an automaton with the guaranteed ticket to heaven any day. What good is free will if you are not supposed to use it?
B. W. wrote:Then that would prove God is absolutely unjust and design in accordance to fear as well as would mean that He is not all powerful either.
Why would my preferences prove anything about God?
B. W. wrote:hmmm so here is a question to you Ken: would you prefer to live under an Islamic state or a western state influenced by Christians who govern by grace?
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You are asking me if I would prefer to live under Sharia law as apposed to how I live now? What have I said that would give you the impression I might wanna live under Sharia law?
Ken