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IceMobster wrote:What is the point in living if there is eternal nothingness afterwards? Note that I am not implying the: "If there is no God, everything is allowed." - it is irrelevant in this case.
Does it matter if you do this or that in this ~80 years of your life if you perish into nothingness after death?
If there was no God, I would kill myself right now, so, why don't you do it?
I've read somewhere that (from an atheist point of view) the purpose of life is to share the knowledge onto the next unit (being, probably the descendant), but what is the point in that? So they can do the same while your nous disappears as you die knowing their will, too?
is this really how you think?
Why would I post it otherwise? Yes, that is my opinion.
Awfully self indulgent, don't you think?
Awfully harsh and intolerant, don't you think?
Storyteller,
Instead of insulting Audie, why don't you help her get the huge log out of her eye?
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Audie wrote:
Awfully self indulgent, don't you think?
Sorry what, LOL?
English is not my native language but synonym for what you just said is hedonistic(not necessarily in a materialistic way), right? Also, epicurean?
Not even close.
How and why did you conclude that?
I didnt know English wasnt your first language Its very good.
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
IceMobster wrote:
Why would I post it otherwise? Yes, that is my opinion.
Awfully self indulgent, don't you think?
Awfully harsh and intolerant, don't you think?
Storyteller,
Instead of insulting Audie, why don't you help her get the huge log out of her eye?
I actually kinda wish I hadnt poted that tbh.
it was posted in anger, sorry.
but..
still....
Well, too bad. There's no takesies backsies.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Can we get back on topic, please? I still don't have any idea how did she conclude I am self indulgent.
I'd like to know why Audie thinks atheism makes any sense if eternal nothingness awaits you. Nothingness which means your mind and the ability to think is gone after this life.
I know I am coming dangerously close to nihilism, but both claim there is nothing after this life, so, I would like to hear her(or anyone's) thinking concerning the topic.
I want to understand that way of thinking.
RickD wrote:
Well, too bad. There's no takesies backsies.
Actually, there is. You can delete your post.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me.
IceMobster wrote:Can we get back on topic, please? I still don't have any idea how did she conclude I am self indulgent.
I'd like to know why Audie thinks atheism makes any sense if eternal nothingness awaits you. Nothingness which means your mind and the ability to think is gone after this life.
I know I am coming dangerously close to nihilism, but both claim there is nothing after this life, so, I would like to hear her(or anyone's) thinking concerning the topic.
I want to understand that way of thinking.
RickD wrote:
Well, too bad. There's no takesies backsies.
Actually, there is. You can delete your post.
Actually she can't delete her post. We don't allow women to delete their posts. It's supposed to help them think before they speak.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
IceMobster wrote:What is the point in living if there is eternal nothingness afterwards? Note that I am not implying the: "If there is no God, everything is allowed." - it is irrelevant in this case.
Does it matter if you do this or that in this ~80 years of your life if you perish into nothingness after death?
If there was no God, I would kill myself right now, so, why don't you do it?
I've read somewhere that (from an atheist point of view) the purpose of life is to share the knowledge onto the next unit (being, probably the descendant), but what is the point in that? So they can do the same while your nous disappears as you die knowing their will, too?
The point of life is there is nothing after?
Heck son !
Here you go:
“The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him. To ride their horses and take away their possessions, to see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters in his arms.”
Audie wrote:
Awfully self indulgent, don't you think?
Sorry what, LOL?
English is not my native language but synonym for what you just said is hedonistic(not necessarily in a materialistic way), right? Also, epicurean?
Not even close.
How and why did you conclude that?
No "LOL" involved.
We are taught that to do what you feel like doing instead of what you know to be right is the essence of self indulgence. Following how one feels not what is rational.
For some it is hedonism, yes. It takes many forms, tho, no? Being a jerk, being disloyal, selfish, cruel, those are all indulgence.
Emotions give power to doing what is right, they are not to be left in charge.
IceMobster wrote:What is the point in living if there is eternal nothingness afterwards? Note that I am not implying the: "If there is no God, everything is allowed." - it is irrelevant in this case.
Does it matter if you do this or that in this ~80 years of your life if you perish into nothingness after death?
If there was no God, I would kill myself right now, so, why don't you do it?
I've read somewhere that (from an atheist point of view) the purpose of life is to share the knowledge onto the next unit (being, probably the descendant), but what is the point in that? So they can do the same while your nous disappears as you die knowing their will, too?
is this really how you think?
Why would I post it otherwise? Yes, that is my opinion.
Awfully self indulgent, don't you think?
Did I just see Audie make an assumption about what someone meant? Isn't that the very thing she rails against ?
Pot, meet kettle.
No, you and the one to whom that was addressed are the ones doing the assuming. Also, you will notice it was a question, I thought perhaps he would get into a little more introspection that is betimes your wont.
IceMobster wrote:What is the point in living if there is eternal nothingness afterwards? Note that I am not implying the: "If there is no God, everything is allowed." - it is irrelevant in this case.
Does it matter if you do this or that in this ~80 years of your life if you perish into nothingness after death?
If there was no God, I would kill myself right now, so, why don't you do it?
I've read somewhere that (from an atheist point of view) the purpose of life is to share the knowledge onto the next unit (being, probably the descendant), but what is the point in that? So they can do the same while your nous disappears as you die knowing their will, too?
is this really how you think?
Why would I post it otherwise? Yes, that is my opinion.
Audie wrote:
Awfully self indulgent, don't you think?
Sorry what, LOL?
English is not my native language but synonym for what you just said is hedonistic(not necessarily in a materialistic way), right? Also, epicurean?
Not even close.
How and why did you conclude that?
I didnt know English wasnt your first language Its very good.
Can we get back on topic, please? I still don't have any idea how did she conclude I am self indulgent.
I didnt "conclude", I asked a question.
I'd like to know why Audie thinks atheism makes any sense if eternal nothingness awaits you. Nothingness which means your mind and the ability to think is gone after this life.
Reality is not affected by how one happens to feel about it. It makes no sense to try to deceive myself, Billions of years went by before I was born, and none of it seemed to bother me. Same for after. Im sure this bothers some people, it may help account for why so many cultures are sure there is some afterlife.
I know I am coming dangerously close to nihilism, but both claim there is nothing after this life, so, I would like to hear her(or anyone's) thinking concerning the topic.
I want to understand that way of thinking.
IceMobster wrote:What is the point in living if there is eternal nothingness afterwards? Note that I am not implying the: "If there is no God, everything is allowed." - it is irrelevant in this case.
Does it matter if you do this or that in this ~80 years of your life if you perish into nothingness after death?
If there was no God, I would kill myself right now, so, why don't you do it?
I've read somewhere that (from an atheist point of view) the purpose of life is to share the knowledge onto the next unit (being, probably the descendant), but what is the point in that? So they can do the same while your nous disappears as you die knowing their will, too?
The point of life is there is nothing after?
Heck son !
Here you go:
“The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him. To ride their horses and take away their possessions, to see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters in his arms.”
Why would I post it otherwise? Yes, that is my opinion.
Awfully self indulgent, don't you think?
Did I just see Audie make an assumption about what someone meant? Isn't that the very thing she rails against ?
Pot, meet kettle.
No, you and the one to whom that was addressed are the ones doing the assuming. Also, you will notice it was a question, I thought perhaps he would get into a little more introspection that is betimes your wont.
Betimes? I'll have to google that.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
IceMobster wrote:What is the point in living if there is eternal nothingness afterwards? Note that I am not implying the: "If there is no God, everything is allowed." - it is irrelevant in this case.
Does it matter if you do this or that in this ~80 years of your life if you perish into nothingness after death?
If there was no God, I would kill myself right now, so, why don't you do it?
I've read somewhere that (from an atheist point of view) the purpose of life is to share the knowledge onto the next unit (being, probably the descendant), but what is the point in that? So they can do the same while your nous disappears as you die knowing their will, too?
It's about the journey; not the destination.
Ken
Then it ends and there is no point to it all anyway
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Science is man's invention - creation is God's
(by B. W. Melvin)
Old Polish Proverb:
Not my Circus....not my monkeys
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