And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
What is the point of life?
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Re: What is the point of life?
What makes something have meaning? Why should there be even such a concept?Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
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Re: What is the point of life?
I dont know that it is a case of "should", is it?Nessa wrote:What makes something have meaning? Why should there be even such a concept?Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
I think things generally have the meaning we attach to them, for whatever reason.
The ultimate meaning stuff seems a bit like Platonic ideal.
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Do you see meaning as a concept humans have created for themselves to express something?Audie wrote:I dont know that it is a case of "should", is it?Nessa wrote:What makes something have meaning? Why should there be even such a concept?Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote: I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
I think things generally have the meaning we attach to them, for whatever reason.
The ultimate meaning stuff seems a bit like Platonic ideal.
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Re: What is the point of life?
Animals seem to find a lot of meaning in what they do, we dont see them indulging in existential despair.Nessa wrote:Do you see meaning as a concept humans have created for themselves to express something?Audie wrote:I dont know that it is a case of "should", is it?Nessa wrote:What makes something have meaning? Why should there be even such a concept?Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote: You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
I think things generally have the meaning we attach to them, for whatever reason.
The ultimate meaning stuff seems a bit like Platonic ideal.
As Kafka's philosopher dog put it, "When you meat in your jaws, all problems are solved for the time being".
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Re: What is the point of life?
I don't think that animals "understand" "meaning" like we do.
Meaning:
intended to communicate something that is not directly expressed.
Animals, even those with the highest degree of reasoning, can't express or understand abstract though beyond the instinctive.
Give the highest order of primate a stick and they will reason and rational many things to do with it, but none will ever contemplate writing a sonata or even producing fire.
Meaning:
intended to communicate something that is not directly expressed.
Animals, even those with the highest degree of reasoning, can't express or understand abstract though beyond the instinctive.
Give the highest order of primate a stick and they will reason and rational many things to do with it, but none will ever contemplate writing a sonata or even producing fire.
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Re: What is the point of life?
Which is another reason that suggests there is a God. For me, anyway.
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Re: What is the point of life?
Seems like every questioning of your belief (rather non-belief) results in you calling the person self indulgent.Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
How is it meaningless if you know that life is both about the journey and the destination? You would live the moment, but knowing that there is something afterwards.
If it is only about either of those, it gets "ultimately meaningless".
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOXMf6yDCU
Fecisti nos ad te, Domine, et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOXMf6yDCU
Fecisti nos ad te, Domine, et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te!
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Re: What is the point of life?
IceMobster wrote:Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.The only person to whom I have made that remark is you, and it certainly has nothing to do with "every questioning of my belief (rather non-belief)"Seems like every questioning of your belief (rather non-belief) results in you calling the person self indulgent
I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Maybe your idea about what "meaning" is is so different from mine. Perhaps you feel it is something aboutHow is it meaningless if you know that life is both about the journey and the destination? You would live the moment, but knowing that there is something afterwards.
If it is only about either of those, it gets "ultimately meaningless"
god?
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It is incorrect that I was the only one:Audie wrote:IceMobster wrote:Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote: I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.The only person to whom I have made that remark is you, and it certainly has nothing to do with "every questioning of my belief (rather non-belief)"Seems like every questioning of your belief (rather non-belief) results in you calling the person self indulgent
I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Maybe your idea about what "meaning" is is so different from mine. Perhaps you feel it is something aboutHow is it meaningless if you know that life is both about the journey and the destination? You would live the moment, but knowing that there is something afterwards.
If it is only about either of those, it gets "ultimately meaningless"
god?
Anyway, you said that my questions make no sense. Why don't you answer them, then?Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
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Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOXMf6yDCU
Fecisti nos ad te, Domine, et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOXMf6yDCU
Fecisti nos ad te, Domine, et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te!
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If you feel "manipulated" unjudtly, take it to the mods.IceMobster wrote:It is incorrect that I was the only one:Audie wrote:IceMobster wrote:Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote: You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.The only person to whom I have made that remark is you, and it certainly has nothing to do with "every questioning of my belief (rather non-belief)"Seems like every questioning of your belief (rather non-belief) results in you calling the person self indulgent
I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Maybe your idea about what "meaning" is is so different from mine. Perhaps you feel it is something aboutHow is it meaningless if you know that life is both about the journey and the destination? You would live the moment, but knowing that there is something afterwards.
If it is only about either of those, it gets "ultimately meaningless"
god?
Is it possible that I am provided with a reason my post was manipulated with?Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
Anyway, you said that my questions make no sense. Why don't you answer them, then?
A question that makes no sense cannot be answered.
Conversation with you is not going to be pleasant, or successful.
I suggest you drop it now.
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Re: What is the point of life?
Indeed, I will drop it. I need a person which I can talk to, which means both answering each others' questions and not having one side ignoring the questions and spewing insults such as self-indulgent, ignorant, close-minded, intellectually dishonest,...Audie wrote: A question that makes no sense cannot be answered.
Conversation with you is not going to be pleasant, or successful.
I suggest you drop it now.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOXMf6yDCU
Fecisti nos ad te, Domine, et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOXMf6yDCU
Fecisti nos ad te, Domine, et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te!
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I.didnt quite follow your reponse but thought it was just me?IceMobster wrote:Seems like every questioning of your belief (rather non-belief) results in you calling the person self indulgent.Audie wrote:And you know, good grief, a person could spoil enjoyment of a sunset or a good dinner by thinking, oh, it is ultimately meaningless. That is seriously dumb, tho, and as noted earlier, self indulgent.Nessa wrote:You can can enjoy summer knowing winter is coming as you can enjoy life knowing death is coming.IceMobster wrote:I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
But the enjoyment would ultimately be meaningless.
How is it meaningless if you know that life is both about the journey and the destination? You would live the moment, but knowing that there is something afterwards.
If it is only about either of those, it gets "ultimately meaningless".
Would you mind expanding on it?
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Re: What is the point of life?
Without God there is no meaning to life - just endless platitudes leading you nowhere. Atheists are notorious at claiming there is no truth, then pontificating sanctimoniously about meaning to life and what is not meaningful. Evolutionary morality believes in the strongest of the fittest, not human rights. Can there ever be meaning with atheism! I think not!
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If you believe that, I feel sorry for you.swordfish7 wrote:Without God there is no meaning to life - just endless platitudes leading you nowhere.
Context my friend; context.swordfish7 wrote: Atheists are notorious at claiming there is no truth, then pontificating sanctimoniously about meaning to life and what is not meaningful.
Because of the evolution of morality, human life is more valued today than in any time in history.swordfish7 wrote: Evolutionary morality believes in the strongest of the fittest, not human rights.
You might wanna think again on that one my friend!swordfish7 wrote: Can there ever be meaning with atheism! I think not!
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