AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Gee wiz, don't pick words apart at midnight, didn't get much sleep. What I mean is organisms multiplying isn't a contradiction of the 2nd law... because it's not random forces working on them-organisms can be thought of as the Borg-made up of small interacting machines....
Small interacting machines are man-made, and in the evolutionary sense man is natural. From a human centric position one can say our actions go against nature, but from a larger perspective we are part of the natural world.
But getting back to the original point your statement is a non-sequitor ( a phrase you like to use often)
Because the statement you were arguing against was.
"There is a trend towards the more complex as entropy increases towards chaos."
I used the galaxy as an example.
Then you responded.
AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Increase in order, not complexity.
You're lucky I left this alone because what is complexity if not increased order?
And you cannot say disorder is complex because then you will be trapped.
I respond with Organisms do not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Not unlike crystal formation, nor the orbits of the planets.
So you resort to changing the subject.
AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:]It's not a natural event...it's not random processes, it's processes guided by mechanisms and control systems etc
How does this have anything to do with the fact that an increase in entropy can lead to order in a resulting system.
See the Entropy flow???
High energy ---> Re-organization of matter + Heat ----> decomposition of matter + Heat
You're right its not random its guided by the flow of entropy.
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