Answering an atheist

[abelcainsbrother]

In my experience with atheists despite this stuff they claim about quoting the bible,like it is not going to convince them of anything until we prove to them God's word is true? Really we should just quote the bible and preach the gospel regardless of what they claim because no matter how much evidence we provide them showing them evidence and reasons to believe they just ignore it.All of this trying to prove the bible true to them is just a cop-out because they just play the denial game. No matter what evidence you might give them they just deny it.

The reason why they do this without realizing it is because it is they that have absolutely no evidence atheism is true and yet despite this fact it is they that believe atheism is true with no evidence at all and so no amount of evidence or reasons to believe or philosophical reasons,etc will convince them,because if they can accept atheism with no evidence? Then evidence will not be important to them and this is why evidence we Christians have given them will not persuade them.

Therefore we might as well just quote scripture and preach the gospel,I think we would have just as much of a chance of convincing them the bible is true than if we give them evidence. It is time atheists provide proof atheism is true because even false religions have more evidence than atheism does.

Atheists have absolutely nothing to bring to the table when it comes to evidence,they have nothing to hedge their bets with and yet they have willingly given atheism a pass for a lack of evidence while demanding we prove to them the bible is true. Evidence is not important to an atheist like they let on about,it is just an opinion at best they cling to without any kind of evidence that they choose to cling to and they choose to prop up their opinion over Christianity and religion.

Wish You could Hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwlzD6zqpgY

If a gappist really wants people to believe the bible the best he could do is
to keep his mouth shut, on both the gappistry and the insulting falsehoods you make up about
people and ideas about which you haven't a clue

Why bring up the Gap Theory?Deal with the truth about atheists and atheism.You know it is the truth,don't just ignore it because the truth hurts and ignore it because you don't like Gap creationism.Up until about the 1970's most bible scholars believed it and taught it and it is the most truthful creation interpretation to me and it does not diminish the truth I speak about atheists and atheism. In my dealings with atheists this is what I've run into time after time.

Good, more insulting falsehoods to illustrate and add to my observation. From he who not so truthfully says he speaks to all with respect.

Why bring up gapistry? Read for content, alresdy. It is crackpot; between showing how clueless you are on that and you equally clueless insults, you make yourself the worst kind of witness for any
sort of truth you may run across elsewhere.

That is the truth, should you have an interest in such things.

That was good advice from someone such as you might want to
convince, much as I could advise you if you tried a bad pick-up line. You choose to treat it
like a dog treats a fire hydrant.

But hey, suit yourself, keep it up. Why would I care how bad you and your religion look.

Sorry not trying to be mean but you still have not addressed the truth I spoke about atheism, gappist or not. How can you believe there is no God with absolutely no evidence or proof to believe it? You have none if you are an atheist,it is just your opinion. It is not evidence based thinking at all. I hope you'll deal with it some day. Perhaps you could start by demanding proof from atheists that you might know or even just evidence and watch how they explain to you that they are excluded from needing evidence and how it is only up to Christians to give proof and evidence.

[Audie]

In my experience with atheists despite this stuff they claim about quoting the bible,like it is not going to convince them of anything until we prove to them God's word is true? Really we should just quote the bible and preach the gospel regardless of what they claim because no matter how much evidence we provide them showing them evidence and reasons to believe they just ignore it.All of this trying to prove the bible true to them is just a cop-out because they just play the denial game. No matter what evidence you might give them they just deny it.

The reason why they do this without realizing it is because it is they that have absolutely no evidence atheism is true and yet despite this fact it is they that believe atheism is true with no evidence at all and so no amount of evidence or reasons to believe or philosophical reasons,etc will convince them,because if they can accept atheism with no evidence? Then evidence will not be important to them and this is why evidence we Christians have given them will not persuade them.

Therefore we might as well just quote scripture and preach the gospel,I think we would have just as much of a chance of convincing them the bible is true than if we give them evidence. It is time atheists provide proof atheism is true because even false religions have more evidence than atheism does.

Atheists have absolutely nothing to bring to the table when it comes to evidence,they have nothing to hedge their bets with and yet they have willingly given atheism a pass for a lack of evidence while demanding we prove to them the bible is true. Evidence is not important to an atheist like they let on about,it is just an opinion at best they cling to without any kind of evidence that they choose to cling to and they choose to prop up their opinion over Christianity and religion.

Wish You could Hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwlzD6zqpgY

If a gappist really wants people to believe the bible the best he could do is
to keep his mouth shut, on both the gappistry and the insulting falsehoods you make up about
people and ideas about which you haven't a clue

Why bring up the Gap Theory?Deal with the truth about atheists and atheism.You know it is the truth,don't just ignore it because the truth hurts and ignore it because you don't like Gap creationism.Up until about the 1970's most bible scholars believed it and taught it and it is the most truthful creation interpretation to me and it does not diminish the truth I speak about atheists and atheism. In my dealings with atheists this is what I've run into time after time.

Good, more insulting falsehoods to illustrate and add to my observation. From he who not so truthfully says he speaks to all with respect.

Why bring up gapistry? Read for content, alresdy. It is crackpot; between showing how clueless you are on that and you equally clueless insults, you make yourself the worst kind of witness for any
sort of truth you may run across elsewhere.

That is the truth, should you have an interest in such things.

That was good advice from someone such as you might want to
convince, much as I could advise you if you tried a bad pick-up line. You choose to treat it
like a dog treats a fire hydrant.

But hey, suit yourself, keep it up. Why would I care how bad you and your religion look.

Sorry not trying to be mean but you still have not addressed the truth I spoke about atheism, gappist or not. How can you believe there is no God with absolutely no evidence or proof to believe it? You have none if you are an atheist,it is just your opinion. It is not evidence based thinking at all. I hope you'll deal with it some day. Perhaps you could start by demanding proof from atheists that you might know or even just evidence and watch how they explain to you that they are excluded from needing evidence and how it is only up to Christians to give proof and evidence.

So change the subject and try to make it about me?

You discredit yourself and your religion. Focus on that.

As for "evidence to prove there is no god", that is so clueless.
You wont even know why I said that.

Anyhow, keep up the insults for people or ideas you cant understand and tell
your silly "gap theory" to all. Results are as I said.

[Philip]

SMSavage: "or that people are lying when they say that God answers all prayers?

Whatever Christians assert that God answers all prayers? That's not an idea they got from Scripture. So that is a false dichotomy.

[Philip]

Thing is, God didn't created the misery and pain. And He didn't make is so that our lives are all about THIS world, but the next one. This world is given no promises that there won't be pain and conflict - not as long as their are men. But there are no easy answers to the pain and suffering question - every thinking Christian struggles to understand it. But that doesn't mean God isn't loving - He most certainly is. And there ARE some clues as to why God allows such.

Anyone wanting to further explore this issue of how a loving God can exist, and yet allow pain and suffering across the earth, might want to read C.S. Lewis' "The Problem of Pain" (linked below) - and especially chapters 6 and 7, in which he unflinchingly addresses and ponders the issue of "human pain."

Here's the link: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... fw&cad=rja

[abelcainsbrother]

If a gappist really wants people to believe the bible the best he could do is
to keep his mouth shut, on both the gappistry and the insulting falsehoods you make up about
people and ideas about which you haven't a clue

Why bring up the Gap Theory?Deal with the truth about atheists and atheism.You know it is the truth,don't just ignore it because the truth hurts and ignore it because you don't like Gap creationism.Up until about the 1970's most bible scholars believed it and taught it and it is the most truthful creation interpretation to me and it does not diminish the truth I speak about atheists and atheism. In my dealings with atheists this is what I've run into time after time.

Good, more insulting falsehoods to illustrate and add to my observation. From he who not so truthfully says he speaks to all with respect.

Why bring up gapistry? Read for content, alresdy. It is crackpot; between showing how clueless you are on that and you equally clueless insults, you make yourself the worst kind of witness for any
sort of truth you may run across elsewhere.

That is the truth, should you have an interest in such things.

That was good advice from someone such as you might want to
convince, much as I could advise you if you tried a bad pick-up line. You choose to treat it
like a dog treats a fire hydrant.

But hey, suit yourself, keep it up. Why would I care how bad you and your religion look.

Sorry not trying to be mean but you still have not addressed the truth I spoke about atheism, gappist or not. How can you believe there is no God with absolutely no evidence or proof to believe it? You have none if you are an atheist,it is just your opinion. It is not evidence based thinking at all. I hope you'll deal with it some day. Perhaps you could start by demanding proof from atheists that you might know or even just evidence and watch how they explain to you that they are excluded from needing evidence and how it is only up to Christians to give proof and evidence.

So change the subject and try to make it about me?

You discredit yourself and your religion. Focus on that.

As for "evidence to prove there is no god", that is so clueless.
You wont even know why I said that.

Anyhow, keep up the insults for people or ideas you cant understand and tell
your silly "gap theory" to all. Results are as I said.

I made it about you? I don't see how.I'd just like you to realize that atheists have absolutely no evidence atheism is true. You seem to dismiss my point because you reject the Gap Theory like it somehow does away with my point about atheism when it does'nt.I have not insulted you and I would'nt insult you just because you think differently. I defend the Gap Theory well biblically if it comes up and I've had much,much better success if the theory of evolution comes up because it is more believable of a theory based on the evidence in the earth. But it is just creationism which is a small part of being a Christian.I think the reason why you attack the Gap Theory so much compared to the other creation interpretations is because deep down you know it would be a major threat to the theory of evolution if the majority of the church was teaching it,evolution would be toast and so you don't like it because you have accepted the theory of evolution and defend it.

[Audie]

Why bring up the Gap Theory?Deal with the truth about atheists and atheism.You know it is the truth,don't just ignore it because the truth hurts and ignore it because you don't like Gap creationism.Up until about the 1970's most bible scholars believed it and taught it and it is the most truthful creation interpretation to me and it does not diminish the truth I speak about atheists and atheism. In my dealings with atheists this is what I've run into time after time.

Good, more insulting falsehoods to illustrate and add to my observation. From he who not so truthfully says he speaks to all with respect.

Why bring up gapistry? Read for content, alresdy. It is crackpot; between showing how clueless you are on that and you equally clueless insults, you make yourself the worst kind of witness for any
sort of truth you may run across elsewhere.

That is the truth, should you have an interest in such things.

That was good advice from someone such as you might want to
convince, much as I could advise you if you tried a bad pick-up line. You choose to treat it
like a dog treats a fire hydrant.

But hey, suit yourself, keep it up. Why would I care how bad you and your religion look.

Sorry not trying to be mean but you still have not addressed the truth I spoke about atheism, gappist or not. How can you believe there is no God with absolutely no evidence or proof to believe it? You have none if you are an atheist,it is just your opinion. It is not evidence based thinking at all. I hope you'll deal with it some day. Perhaps you could start by demanding proof from atheists that you might know or even just evidence and watch how they explain to you that they are excluded from needing evidence and how it is only up to Christians to give proof and evidence.

So change the subject and try to make it about me?

You discredit yourself and your religion. Focus on that.

As for "evidence to prove there is no god", that is so clueless.
You wont even know why I said that.

Anyhow, keep up the insults for people or ideas you cant understand and tell
your silly "gap theory" to all. Results are as I said.

I made it about you? I don't see how.I'd just like you to realize that atheists have absolutely no evidence atheism is true. You seem to dismiss my point because you reject the Gap Theory like it somehow does away with my point about atheism when it does'nt.I have not insulted you and I would'nt insult you just because you think differently. I defend the Gap Theory well biblically if it comes up and I've had much,much better success if the theory of evolution comes up because it is more believable of a theory based on the evidence in the earth. But it is just creationism which is a small part of being a Christian.I think the reason why you attack the Gap Theory so much compared to the other creation interpretations is because deep down you know it would be a major threat to the theory of evolution if the majority of the church was teaching it,evolution would be toast and so you don't like it because you have accepted the theory of evolution and defend it.

You didnt understand a thing I said.

[Audie]

Why bring up the Gap Theory?Deal with the truth about atheists and atheism.You know it is the truth,don't just ignore it because the truth hurts and ignore it because you don't like Gap creationism.Up until about the 1970's most bible scholars believed it and taught it and it is the most truthful creation interpretation to me and it does not diminish the truth I speak about atheists and atheism. In my dealings with atheists this is what I've run into time after time.

Good, more insulting falsehoods to illustrate and add to my observation. From he who not so truthfully says he speaks to all with respect.

Why bring up gapistry? Read for content, alresdy. It is crackpot; between showing how clueless you are on that and you equally clueless insults, you make yourself the worst kind of witness for any
sort of truth you may run across elsewhere.

That is the truth, should you have an interest in such things.

That was good advice from someone such as you might want to
convince, much as I could advise you if you tried a bad pick-up line. You choose to treat it
like a dog treats a fire hydrant.

But hey, suit yourself, keep it up. Why would I care how bad you and your religion look.

Sorry not trying to be mean but you still have not addressed the truth I spoke about atheism, gappist or not. How can you believe there is no God with absolutely no evidence or proof to believe it? You have none if you are an atheist,it is just your opinion. It is not evidence based thinking at all. I hope you'll deal with it some day. Perhaps you could start by demanding proof from atheists that you might know or even just evidence and watch how they explain to you that they are excluded from needing evidence and how it is only up to Christians to give proof and evidence.

So change the subject and try to make it about me?

You discredit yourself and your religion. Focus on that.

As for "evidence to prove there is no god", that is so clueless.
You wont even know why I said that.

Anyhow, keep up the insults for people or ideas you cant understand and tell
your silly "gap theory" to all. Results are as I said.

I made it about you? I don't see how.I'd just like you to realize that atheists have absolutely no evidence atheism is true. You seem to dismiss my point because you reject the Gap Theory like it somehow does away with my point about atheism when it does'nt.I have not insulted you and I would'nt insult you just because you think differently. I defend the Gap Theory well biblically if it comes up and I've had much,much better success if the theory of evolution comes up because it is more believable of a theory based on the evidence in the earth. But it is just creationism which is a small part of being a Christian.I think the reason why you attack the Gap Theory so much compared to the other creation interpretations is because deep down you know it would be a major threat to the theory of evolution if the majority of the church was teaching it,evolution would be toast and so you don't like it because you have accepted the theory of evolution and defend it.

You didnt understand a thing I said.

[B. W.]

You didnt understand a thing I said.

Audie, you are crossing the line with insults, please desist in using derogatory comments towards folks on this Forum.

Further insults will result in a ban...

Have a nice day
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[Audie]

You didnt understand a thing I said.

Audie, you are crossing the line with insults, please desist in using derogatory comments towards folks on this Forum.

Further insults will result in a ban...

Have a nice day
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you too, while thinking why its ok for byb to say this

nice wavy day to you too.

Typical, boring, predictable, shallow, and self-agrandizing. I don't bother with anything you say unless I think it benefits the reader. Get over yourself.

[B. W.]

The particular all loving god that christians visualize is of course indistinguishable
from one that does not exist at all.

Nonsense. No, I really mean that, it is utter nonsense to state the Christian God (otherwise known simply as God or being or existence) doesn't exist. Complete nonsense. It is the equivalent of saying existence doesn't exist.

I really do NOT think that atheist grasp that simple fact in regards to the Christian understanding of God.
That is why they "make up" their own version of God and go about disproving the existence of THAT God.

Atheists like that coz they dumb.

Like bibs there who couldnt grasp what i said so he made up his own vrrsion so he'd have
something to savage.

He like that. Guess why I dont ever talk to him.

Typical, boring, predictable, shallow, and self-agrandizing. I don't bother with anything you say unless I think it benefits the reader. Get over yourself.

Your complaint is so noted but be advised, Audie, that you are the prevaricator here.

It is your comments that add fuel...that ignites people.

You are in the wrong and are the one inflaming people and they respond in kind and then you complain.

Your interpersonal skills show a total lack of regard to others on this form and this perpetuates insults heaped and added upon more insults. You instigate all this.

You are the one who should begin toning down your snide, rude, insulting, and bias discriminating remarks. Others will tone down theirs when you do. Until then.. expect the same from others as you dish out.

Someone from your educational background and intelligence should be above such simplistic tactics.

Your actions and complaints are more consistent with how incarcerated criminals act in jail and such traits do not fit someone of you caliber of education and intelligence.

Calm down, listen, show respect...
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[Audie]

Nonsense. No, I really mean that, it is utter nonsense to state the Christian God (otherwise known simply as God or being or existence) doesn't exist. Complete nonsense. It is the equivalent of saying existence doesn't exist.

I really do NOT think that atheist grasp that simple fact in regards to the Christian understanding of God.
That is why they "make up" their own version of God and go about disproving the existence of THAT God.

Atheists like that coz they dumb.

Like bibs there who couldnt grasp what i said so he made up his own vrrsion so he'd have
something to savage.

He like that. Guess why I dont ever talk to him.

Typical, boring, predictable, shallow, and self-agrandizing. I don't bother with anything you say unless I think it benefits the reader. Get over yourself.

Your complaint is so noted but be advised, Audie, that you are the prevaricator here.

It is your comments that add fuel...that ignites people.

You are in the wrong and are the one inflaming people and they respond in kind and then you complain.

Your interpersonal skills show a total lack of regard to others on this form and this perpetuates insults heaped and added upon more insults. You instigate all this.

You are the one who should begin toning down your snide, rude, insulting, and bias discriminating remarks. Others will tone down theirs when you do. Until then.. expect the same from others as you dish out.

Someone from your educational background and intelligence should be above such simplistic tactics.

Your actions and complaints are more consistent with how incarcerated criminals act in jail and such traits do not fit someone of you caliber of education and intelligence.

Calm down, listen, show respect...
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If this is the consensus, then I will depart.

Let me know, anyone who is interested.

[Philip]

Audie: If this is the consensus, then I will depart.

Let me know, anyone who is interested.

Audie, surely you don't want to be deliberately nasty and insulting - which you must admit, you sometimes are. The mods here have really tried not to be petty with how you might be criticized. So, surely, your response isn't to deny you sometimes go too far - to the point that simply acknowledging you at least might have threatens your ego to the point of threatening to leave? All BW is saying is to try to play nicer. There have been times when we ALL probably could have showed others more civil responses. But taking pleasure in being demeaning to another because you might think it makes you look superior in knowledge or intellect - well, I sure hope that isn't the case. Counter questionable statements with evidence and facts - no need to include the snotty put-downs. And you know walking away would look very immature/would be very childish. And you also know that some of your comments have been extremely caustic and mean-spirited. I would say most here value your input and even like you (I do!). So, please don't be so thin-skinned when faced with sincerely meant criticism - criticism that is meant to correct negative behavior and help keep forum peace, and not meant to be a personal attack upon you (which is a huge difference). So, just chill out a bit!

[Audie]

Audie: If this is the consensus, then I will depart.

Let me know, anyone who is interested.

Audie, surely you don't want to be deliberately nasty and insulting - which you must admit, you sometimes are. The mods here have really tried not to be petty with how you might be criticized.

BW was just looking for something to jump on.

Could hardly get more petty than saying it was an offense worthy of banning to say A didnt understand a thing I said, a reasonable inference in that what he said has no relation to what I said. For that matter, he routinely makes up and says outlandishly false and insulting things about me. Not that he has the capacity to offend me, but a detection of double standards has taken place here.

If you have an example of me being deliberately nasty, please proved it.
I do indulge myself in biting and stinging. Not nice, I need to control that.

So, surely, your response isn't to deny you sometimes go too far - to the point that simply acknowledging you at least might have threatens your ego to the point of threatening to leave?

Dont be daft. My ego is fine, and there was no "threat". If people on the whole see me as BW described then the graceful thing is for me to simply not be here. Dont make my offer into something it is not.

All BW is saying is to try to play nicer.

I can do that. But he said a whole lot more than that. I think he is ticked that
I said I dont care to read his posts.

There have been times when we ALL probably could have showed others more civil responses. But taking pleasure in being demeaning to another because you might think it makes you look superior in knowledge or intellect - well, I sure hope that isn't the case.

Id hope you'd be better than to think that of me.

Counter questionable statements with evidence and facts - no need to include the snotty put-downs. And you know walking away would look very immature/would be very childish.

Including a personal remark with the evidence / fact is unsuitable. You can bring that up with a lot of people.
Walking away is by no means always childish. Im too combative, true. Declining to fight / walk away is harder for me than fighting. For all of us, it is often enough the only honourable thing to do. Or the only sensible thing. Who gets in a shouting match with a street drunk?

And you also know that some of your comments have been extremely caustic and mean-spirited.

I

I bite and sting, I dont think I am mean spirited.

would say most here value your input and even like you (I do!). So, please don't be so thin-skinned when faced with sincerely meant criticism - criticism that is meant to correct negative behavior and help keep forum peace, and not meant to be a personal attack upon you (which is a huge difference). So, just chill out a bit!

I do not accept it as being thin skinned to not be receptive to over the top and deliberately false / invidious comments such as from at least one of those who commented. Reference to mean spirited, and all.

BW for that matter, was about as balanced in his comments as it would be for me to say that Angelina Jolie's face is lopsided and her teeth are crooked; which is of course true.
Likewise that one eye is bigger and lower than the other, and her ears are shaped differently.

Generally, what you said here is perfectly good suggestions for me and general advice for the forum.

[Audie]

Earlier I said-

"The particular all loving god that Christians visualize is of course indistinguishable
from one that does not exist at all."

How does one distinguish a god who does not intervene no matter what awful thing
is happening from one that does not exist at all?

That is a real question.

[Byblos]

Earlier I said-

"The particular all loving god that Christians visualize is of course indistinguishable
from one that does not exist at all."

How does one distinguish a god who does not intervene no matter what awful thing
is happening from one that does not exist at all?

That is a real question.

Nothing more I wish for than to have a constructive conversation with you on the subject. Whatever you think (or I think) transpired between us in the past I can put aside and am willing to even apologize for my part in it. All in an effort to move forward. If you agree and are up for it let me know.

P.S. In case Audie doesn't see this post because she may have me on 'ignore', if I could ask a mod to convey this message to her in private and let me know (also in private) what her decision is.