PaulSacramento wrote:Have animals "invented" religion?
Nope.
No primal instinct of any species leads that species to formulate a belief that there may be more than this simple existence OR to ponder HOW we got here.
Are you also deliberately trying to avoid understanding or acknowledging what I meant ?
I am pointing out that bring other animals into this is pointless and irrelevant.
Far from it. It could hardly be more germain.
You asked what you evidently took to be a rhetorical question, here stated four or five different ways:
Why would anyone be afraid of their death BEFORE they have a notion of possible consequences of dying?
In short, how can religion PRECEDE the very thing it addresses IF it was created because of the thing it, supposedly, created?
What I mean is that, some have the view that Man created religion because of his fear of death, of the unknown BUT where did that fear come from?
There was no reason to fear the very thing that religion says will/may happen BEFORE religion was created to tell us it happens and IF religion was created because of that fear, well, you see the problem with this view of course.
You can deny for whatever ideological reasons that there could be analogs among other animals, but it is scarcely irrelevant.
Audie wrote:
Harm and death have a way of blending one into the other. De we need to define a bright line distinction for our fleeing planaria?
Is it somehow the central issue whether or not they have an abstract concept of death?
Are you going out of your way to avoid acknowledging the point I am making?
Audie,
This gets to the question posed in the thread. Why are humans the only living thing on earth that has religion?
Humans, apart from all other creatures, are spiritual creatures. We have a longing for God, because God gave us that longing.
So you say, asking then answering your own question with not a datum point to your name.
Datum point? What are you talking about? You're asking for scientific evidence for what I wrote?
Come on Audie. THINK. Use your brain. Stop trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver. Step outside your little box.
You asked me for evidence, but no fair, no fair now.
Think? Little box?
We have a longing for God, because God gave us that longing
How droll.
Audie, I asked you for evidence, because that's all you're willing to acknowledge. When someone won't think outside of their science box, evidence is all they think could be proof of anything. Would you rather have had me ask for proof, outside of scientific evidence, only for you to tell me that you don't discuss philosophy, blah blah blah?
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
This gets to the question posed in the thread. Why are humans the only living thing on earth that has religion?
Humans, apart from all other creatures, are spiritual creatures. We have a longing for God, because God gave us that longing.
So you say, asking then answering your own question with not a datum point to your name.
Datum point? What are you talking about? You're asking for scientific evidence for what I wrote?
Come on Audie. THINK. Use your brain. Stop trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver. Step outside your little box.
You asked me for evidence, but no fair, no fair now.
Think? Little box?
We have a longing for God, because God gave us that longing
How droll.
Audie, I asked you for evidence, because that's all you're willing to acknowledge. When someone won't think outside of their science box, evidence is all they think could be proof of anything. Would you rather have had me ask for proof, outside of scientific evidence, only for you to tell me that you don't discuss philosophy, blah blah blah?
Its not all I am willing to discuss but the little chant about god you offer is just lame, and
in the little box dept, its more like a ingrown hair.
Audie wrote:
So you say, asking then answering your own question with not a datum point to your name.
Datum point? What are you talking about? You're asking for scientific evidence for what I wrote?
Come on Audie. THINK. Use your brain. Stop trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver. Step outside your little box.
You asked me for evidence, but no fair, no fair now.
Think? Little box?
We have a longing for God, because God gave us that longing
How droll.
Audie, I asked you for evidence, because that's all you're willing to acknowledge. When someone won't think outside of their science box, evidence is all they think could be proof of anything. Would you rather have had me ask for proof, outside of scientific evidence, only for you to tell me that you don't discuss philosophy, blah blah blah?
Its not all I am willing to discuss but the little chant about god you offer is just lame, and
in the little box dept, its more like a ingrown hair.
You can call it whatever you want. But as long as you're trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver, I'm going to call you on it. Be upset, be annoyed. Maybe one day you'll be annoyed enough at me for pushing the issue, that you'll actually start learning how to hammer a nail with a hammer.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
RickD wrote:
Datum point? What are you talking about? You're asking for scientific evidence for what I wrote?
Come on Audie. THINK. Use your brain. Stop trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver. Step outside your little box.
You asked me for evidence, but no fair, no fair now.
Think? Little box?
We have a longing for God, because God gave us that longing
How droll.
Audie, I asked you for evidence, because that's all you're willing to acknowledge. When someone won't think outside of their science box, evidence is all they think could be proof of anything. Would you rather have had me ask for proof, outside of scientific evidence, only for you to tell me that you don't discuss philosophy, blah blah blah?
Its not all I am willing to discuss but the little chant about god you offer is just lame, and
in the little box dept, its more like a ingrown hair.
You can call it whatever you want. But as long as you're trying to hammer a nail with a screwdriver, I'm going to call you on it. Be upset, be annoyed. Maybe one day you'll be annoyed enough at me for pushing the issue, that you'll actually start learning how to hammer a nail with a hammer.
Ha, look who is annoyed. Make it about me; your chant about how its god coz its god is still lame as a one legged duck.
Of course you have no evidentiary basis. It sure doesnt look like 'philosophy" either.
I offered something that does make sense, nail with hammer and all, but thats like showin' a cross to a werewolf here.
audie wrote:
Of course you have no evidentiary basis. It sure doesnt look like 'philosophy" either.
Really? Has Punxsutawney Min come out of hiding in her scientific hole in the ground, to want to discuss philosophy now?
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
PaulSacramento wrote:Have animals "invented" religion?
Nope.
No primal instinct of any species leads that species to formulate a belief that there may be more than this simple existence OR to ponder HOW we got here.
Are you also deliberately trying to avoid understanding or acknowledging what I meant ?
I am pointing out that bring other animals into this is pointless and irrelevant.
Far from it. It could hardly be more germain.
You asked what you evidently took to be a rhetorical question, here stated four or five different ways:
Why would anyone be afraid of their death BEFORE they have a notion of possible consequences of dying?
In short, how can religion PRECEDE the very thing it addresses IF it was created because of the thing it, supposedly, created?
What I mean is that, some have the view that Man created religion because of his fear of death, of the unknown BUT where did that fear come from?
There was no reason to fear the very thing that religion says will/may happen BEFORE religion was created to tell us it happens and IF religion was created because of that fear, well, you see the problem with this view of course.
You can deny for whatever ideological reasons that there could be analogs among other animals, but it is scarcely irrelevant.
I am assuming you have some sort of proof or evidence to back that allegation about animals?
PaulSacramento wrote:Have animals "invented" religion?
Nope.
No primal instinct of any species leads that species to formulate a belief that there may be more than this simple existence OR to ponder HOW we got here.
Are you also deliberately trying to avoid understanding or acknowledging what I meant ?
I am pointing out that bring other animals into this is pointless and irrelevant.
Far from it. It could hardly be more germain.
You asked what you evidently took to be a rhetorical question, here stated four or five different ways:
Why would anyone be afraid of their death BEFORE they have a notion of possible consequences of dying?
In short, how can religion PRECEDE the very thing it addresses IF it was created because of the thing it, supposedly, created?
What I mean is that, some have the view that Man created religion because of his fear of death, of the unknown BUT where did that fear come from?
There was no reason to fear the very thing that religion says will/may happen BEFORE religion was created to tell us it happens and IF religion was created because of that fear, well, you see the problem with this view of course.
You can deny for whatever ideological reasons that there could be analogs among other animals, but it is scarcely irrelevant.
I am assuming you have some sort of proof or evidence to back that allegation about animals?
I am assuming you dont actually know what an allegation is.
Animals may try and avoid harm and death due to instinct, sure, but do they ratinoalise it? Fear it? Question it and existence? Do they sit and ponder a sunset? Appreciate music?
We do.
We recognise death.
Question Audie..
If there is no God, why if life is about survival, if this is all we have, why are we so willing to give it up for others?
If you saw a child in mortal danger most would sacrifice their life, why? Why save someone who isnt related to you in any way?
Lions will kill cubs to ensure its their bloodline in the pride, survival of their genes. Yet humans go against that, why?
Could it be that, deep down in our soul, we know there is more to life than just existing?
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
Im perched on top of Audies wall. If she will let me help her climb up here, she'll love the view.
Seriously, Audie, please.
I know you feel it.
You see it.
I know you do.
Sometimes things are true no matter how much you dont want them to be, or how confusing and scary it is. Sometimes those things turn out to be the best things of all.
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
Im perched on top of Audies wall. If she will let me help her climb up here, she'll love the view.
That's deep. And profound.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Reyen wrote:Why are humans the only living thing on Earth that has religion?
Because humans are the only species who grasp metaphysic, imagination and wisdom. So we come up with various religions and even some "scientific" theories to explain our observations. The more people buy into a particular idea, the more it is accepted as fact. (If it be "True" or not is of no real importance. If it is considered true by the majority, it is "fact".)
Metaphysic, imagination and wisdom operate in science as well. Sorry to say this Reyen but some "science" has been accepted on faith as well.
So what is the reason why people are religious beings
Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
- Jesus Christ
Disappointment is inevitable. But to become discouraged, there's a choice I make. God would never discourage me. He would always point me to himself to trust him. Therefore, my discouragement is from Satan. As you go through the emotions that we have, hostility is not from God, bitterness, unforgiveness, all of these are attacks from Satan.
- Charles Stanley
