Anything worth going to hell for?
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Anything worth going to hell for?
I'm rephrasing a question I very likely made too complicated the first time.
Lets just stay off whether this could really happen, OK? Its a thought experiment.
Is there anything you would be willing to go to hell for if you THOUGHT it would benefit people you particularly care for or even humanity in general?
For me, there is nothing or nobody.
Lets just stay off whether this could really happen, OK? Its a thought experiment.
Is there anything you would be willing to go to hell for if you THOUGHT it would benefit people you particularly care for or even humanity in general?
For me, there is nothing or nobody.
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
I like to think that I would sacrifice my salvation if it meant saving someone else but its easy to say.
All I can say really is that my heart breaks for humanity sometimes, so, if there was a chance to save it, I'd take it, because it isnt about me, its about God.
If by going to hell, everyone else was saved, then I would do it.
What better way to love my neighbour?
All I can say really is that my heart breaks for humanity sometimes, so, if there was a chance to save it, I'd take it, because it isnt about me, its about God.
If by going to hell, everyone else was saved, then I would do it.
What better way to love my neighbour?
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
The question is nonsensical and cannot be answered. To choose to go to hell is to choose to reject perfect goodness. No matter the altruistic motives, one is still rejecting perfect goodness and therefore the very act is intrinsically evil.ultimate777 wrote:I'm rephrasing a question I very likely made too complicated the first time.
Lets just stay off whether this could really happen, OK? Its a thought experiment.
Is there anything you would be willing to go to hell for if you THOUGHT it would benefit people you particularly care for or even humanity in general?
For me, there is nothing or nobody.
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Wouldnt the very fact you choose to go to hell to save someone keep you safe though, if you trust in Christ?
And would He not go looking for His lost sheep?
If something, anything I could do would save humanity I would do it, thing is salvation is through faith and thats a personal choice.
And would He not go looking for His lost sheep?
If something, anything I could do would save humanity I would do it, thing is salvation is through faith and thats a personal choice.
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
You'd effectively be banking on putting God in a corner. Save me even though I totally rejected you because I thought my intentions were good.Storyteller wrote:Wouldnt the very fact you choose to go to hell to save someone keep you safe though, if you trust in Christ?
And would He not go looking for His lost sheep?
If something, anything I could do would save humanity I would do it, thing is salvation is through faith and thats a personal choice.
And the scenario here is total rejection of God, i.e. at no point there was any trust put in Christ.
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Thats why its hypothetical though, isnt it? I could never reject Christ.
For me, I see it as a sacrifice. If it saved everyone else but it cost my soul? Me or them?
How can I not?
For me, I see it as a sacrifice. If it saved everyone else but it cost my soul? Me or them?
How can I not?
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
That's the thing though, it's not a sacrifice because the very act is evil. It's a logical contradiction, the question cannot be answered.Storyteller wrote:Thats why its hypothetical though, isnt it? I could never reject Christ.
For me, I see it as a sacrifice. If it saved everyone else but it cost my soul? Me or them?
How can I not?
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Hypothetical...
Even though you have 4 sides, would you be a triangle if it meant that it would save your 5 sided friends from being a hexagon?
Even though you have 4 sides, would you be a triangle if it meant that it would save your 5 sided friends from being a hexagon?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Exactly. Demonstrate a 4-sided triangle to save everyone else and you go to hell. That's what it boils down to.RickD wrote:Hypothetical...
Even though you have 4 sides, would you be a triangle if it meant that it would save your 5 sided friends from being a hexagon?
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
If by choosing evil and rejecting God it saved the rest of humanity, how is that not a sacrifice?
Especially knowing, and believing what I do.
Its more that I couldnt reject Christ knowing what I do.
Rick...
No, I would use an eraser and protractor.
Especially knowing, and believing what I do.
Its more that I couldnt reject Christ knowing what I do.
Rick...
No, I would use an eraser and protractor.
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Byblos wrote:Exactly. Demonstrate a 4-sided triangle to save everyone else and you go to hell. That's what it boils down to.RickD wrote:Hypothetical...
Even though you have 4 sides, would you be a triangle if it meant that it would save your 5 sided friends from being a hexagon?
I get it now!
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Storyteller wrote:Byblos wrote:Exactly. Demonstrate a 4-sided triangle to save everyone else and you go to hell. That's what it boils down to.RickD wrote:Hypothetical...
Even though you have 4 sides, would you be a triangle if it meant that it would save your 5 sided friends from being a hexagon?
I get it now!
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Actually -- everyone deserves to Go to hell. No one on this earth can go to hell for anyone else -- and hell is a permanent location. To even presume to be good enough to go to hell for someone else / save Them at the expense of myself / Jesus Christ already Did that. If I thought God would give me 'bonus points' or something? No, cause that would be a 'good work' that would keep me in hell? The concept is for our 'good work' to earn us a Better place in Heaven.
So - no thanks. I'm Not going to volunteer to spend eternity in hell so someone else / maybe even lots of people would be free of that,. Because it's an individual's person choice of where he/ she spends eternity.
So - no thanks. I'm Not going to volunteer to spend eternity in hell so someone else / maybe even lots of people would be free of that,. Because it's an individual's person choice of where he/ she spends eternity.
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Re: Anything worth going to hell for?
Answer is no...ultimate777 wrote:I'm rephrasing a question I very likely made too complicated the first time.
Lets just stay off whether this could really happen, OK? Its a thought experiment.
Is there anything you would be willing to go to hell for if you THOUGHT it would benefit people you particularly care for or even humanity in general?
For me, there is nothing or nobody.
We cannot do this because Jesus paid the price for our sins once and for all.
To insinuate that someone could would make the work of Jesus Christ on the cross of no effect.
The better way is now, and I mean in someone's MORTAL NOW, in this mortal life is how we can spare someone from hell by the gospel of Jesus Christ bearers of the message and by being living examples of the message we share.
Now, when you tell folks this, they may make your life a little hell like on earth and hey may become convicted of their abuse and turn to Jesus or they may not. Choice is theirs to make.
Hope this helps.
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