Why I never became an atheist.

[Storyteller]

Her testimony is amazingly, beautifully moving.


Audie.... if you love me at all.... read her testimony, please.
And Ken.

Who?

Click on ricks link, click on the link to her full testimony.

Im gonna read it again and explore the other links

[abelcainsbrother]

What we have here is Scientism and it is like a religious belief,only not realized by those who adhere to it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

[RickD]

Here's another link. This one's from everyone's favorite astrophysicist and pastor, Hugh Ross.

Astrophysics points to the God of the Bible.
After listening to the two hour audio, there will be a quiz. So please pay attention.

http://www.bethinking.org/is-there-a-cr ... -the-bible

[Philip]

Nice dodge, Audie! You failed to answer my questions and then you brought up some irrelevant issue as a dodge. Then you put up the "he's not being nice to me" ploy. What I asked was entirely relevant to the question at hand. This is so typical. Asked about the parameters that ANY ultimate cause for the universe MUST entail, and you simply ignore it. How many times you act as if there are an infinite number of possibilities of what might be the Cause, and then you fail to acknowledge the difference between some huge speculated-upon number of POSSIBLE causes and the fact as to what the parameters that ANY of them MUST have - which are tiny few and impossible for the correct one (whichever out of the numerous ones speculated upon) to NOT have. So, play victim, ignore, dodge, bring up an irrelevant strawman - these are what you always do when put to direct, if inconvenient, questions. And, for the gazillionth time, these issues, questions and discussions are not personal, they aren't attacks, but you almost always act like they are, whenever you don't want to answer, or don't have a good response. Everyone here is on to these tactics.

[Philip]

Rick: Here's another link. This one's from everyone's favorite astrophysicist and pastor, Hugh Ross.

After listening to the two hour audio, there will be a quiz. So please pay attention.

http://www.bethinking.org/is-there-a-cr ... -the-bible

I love Hugh, but his problem is he sees science everywhere in Scripture - even where it wasn't meant as such. He needs some theology lessons. Problem is, I don't think I've ever seen RTB back up when they have put out some dubious stuff. Brilliant guy, but he's got to be careful about proof-texting things.

[RickD]

Rick: Here's another link. This one's from everyone's favorite astrophysicist and pastor, Hugh Ross.

After listening to the two hour audio, there will be a quiz. So please pay attention.

http://www.bethinking.org/is-there-a-cr ... -the-bible

I love Hugh, but his problem is he sees science everywhere in Scripture - even where it wasn't meant as such. He needs some theology lessons. Problem is, I don't think I've ever seen RTB back up when they have put out some dubious stuff. Brilliant guy, but he's got to be careful about proof-texting things.

You're not supposed to insult the professor. After you listen to the audio, you will have a "special" quiz, reserved only for non-conformists.

All kidding aside, I just posted the link to show Kenny and anyone who is interested, that astrophysics points to the existence of God.

[Philip]

Rick: All kidding aside, I just posted the link to show Kenny and anyone who is interested, that astrophysics points to the existence of God.

Yes, no doubt about it, Hugh has really opened a lot of eyes as to the fine-tuning of the universe and a whole lot more. So, slight criticisms of a brilliant guy with a lot of powerful scientific evidences for what is in the Bible! Hey, I'm no astrophysicist!

Hugh has powerfully shown how the universe has always been anything but random and chaotic, and that it was prepared to make life possible: http://www.reasons.org/articles/rtb-des ... ndium-2009

[Kenny]

So going back to my previous question, again; the "we" you were referring to is your fellow Christians, not the Scientists who spend their lives studying the Universe most of whom just so happen to be Atheist. Correct?

Kenny you do realize that one of the most prestigious astrophysics observatories in the world is located in the Vatican, don't you?

I wouldn't doubt it. As a matter of fact many scientific discoveries were made by Christians. But that doesn't mean most scientists are Christians.

Ken

[PaulSacramento]

So going back to my previous question, again; the "we" you were referring to is your fellow Christians, not the Scientists who spend their lives studying the Universe most of whom just so happen to be Atheist. Correct?

Ken

Did you not understand anything I wrote ??
Come on man...

[Kenny]

So going back to my previous question, again; the "we" you were referring to is your fellow Christians, not the Scientists who spend their lives studying the Universe most of whom just so happen to be Atheist. Correct?

Ken

Did you not understand anything I wrote ??
Come on man...

Yes I understood everything you said; I shall assume my initial assumptions were correct

Ken

[abelcainsbrother]

Why I never became an atheist? Here is I think my mom's all-time favorite gospel song that will explain. I tried to find the best version of this song I could find.I have heard better versions than this one,but I could'nt find it.My favorite version was sang by The Maharrey family gospel group when their dad sang it,but I could'nt find it.So this version will do.
The Lighthouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNkDJE603IQ

[Storyteller]

Which ever way you look at it, life, its a miracle.

Seems incredibly arrogant not to be grateful.
I can't grasp it being coincedental, chance.
Nothing is that random.

Life is precious, a gift.

[Audie]

Which ever way you look at it, life, its a miracle.

Seems incredibly arrogant not to be grateful.
I can't grasp it being coincedental, chance.
Nothing is that random.

Life is precious, a gift.

Is a waterfall "random"? Planned?

[Byblos]

Which ever way you look at it, life, its a miracle.

Seems incredibly arrogant not to be grateful.
I can't grasp it being coincedental, chance.
Nothing is that random.

Life is precious, a gift.

Is a waterfall "random"? Planned?

The ultimate question is why there is motion at all.

[Audie]

Which ever way you look at it, life, its a miracle.

Seems incredibly arrogant not to be grateful.
I can't grasp it being coincedental, chance.
Nothing is that random.

Life is precious, a gift.

Is a waterfall "random"? Planned?

The ultimate question is why there is motion at all.

I suppose so. Dr. Richsrd Feynman observed that if you knew all there is to know aboutva drop of water, you'd have the secrets of the universe.

Still , while we dont have that, much can be and has been learned about the properties
of water, tho we could have just stopped trying, preferring to seek ultimate answers.

But suppose someone actually did it! The Ultimate Answer!

Would that give you all the information about the chemical and physical properties
of water?

I actually did have a serious question about design / random.

Lets suppose water is designed; it is pretty amazing stuff.

Is there any level at all, in your mind, where "random" or "chance" plays a role
in the formation of a waterfall?