The Holy Trinity

[Kurieuo]

Fortigurn,

This is going nowhere so I will defend my own points against yours, and we can hopefully leave it at that.

I'm not allowed to debate the trinity on this forum (according to what I've been told by a Moderator), so I'll contain my comments within that injunction.

Perhaps I was unclear, but I would like to think you and I both know what you say is not the whole issue. Rather aggressive "attacks" on primary Christian doctrines would be better suited to other boards, and our guidelines I think are clear on this point. Christ's divinity is a main Christian doctrine, and therefore if you wish to attack this and peddle your own beliefs then this is not the place.

Now by attack, I also mean in relation to mannerisms and respect. This is something I just do not detect in your posts, especially with dogmatic assertions such as people not being scriptural, there is no reason for believing ..., etc. There is a way of discussing that doesn't rub people the wrong way personally, and there are other posters here who don't agree with Christianity who have been able to discuss in such a manner. I would simply bid you take a less aggressive offensive approach within discussions, and we also expect this of other posters.

To save the topic of this discussion, if you have any further comments regarding this issue then please contact me privately.

Kurieuo

[puritan lad]

Fortigurn,

Historicist...
No Trinity...
Different view of hell...

Are you by chance a 7th Day Adventist or an offshoot?

Just curious...

[Byblos]

Fortigurn,

Historicist...
No Trinity...
Different view of hell...

Are you by chance a 7th Day Adventist or an offshoot?

Just curious...

If I'm not mistaken, he already stated he was Christadelphian.

[Fortigurn]

Fortigurn,

Historicist...
No Trinity...
Different view of hell...

Are you by chance a 7th Day Adventist or an offshoot?

Just curious...

Christadelphian (Wikipedia article).

The SDAs came after we did. The man whose preaching led to the formation of our community (John Thomas), actually corresponded with William Miller (the man whose preaching led to the formation of the Millerite congregation, which was later developed by others into the SDAs), and they shared some common ground.

But Thomas disagreed with him on a number of points, including prophecy. He was one of many who warned Miller that this calculations were way out.

Thomas himself was not averse to making his own calculations, however (it was the era of calculations for Christ's return, a 19th century theological obssession), and suggested 1866 (or thereabouts), in which hope he was unfortunately (but predictably), disappointed.

[puritan lad]

We have a LOT to talk about, but I'll give it a rest for a while and let you digest my Revelation Documents. We'll deal with some other issues at a later time.

[Felgar]

Eternality as mentioned for one.

I don't know what you mean by 'eternality', precisely, but if you mean 'has existed from all time, and will exist from all time', I've pointed out that this is not said of Christ.

Here's where I think you've gone wrong. I've posted much of this before here: http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... word#13988

To be clear, we are endeavouring to establish whether Christ is said to be "eternal", an attribute that by definition establishes Jesus as God.

John 8:58
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

Is that enough to establish that it is said of Christ, he "has existed from all time?" To me, and hopefully to our other readers it is. I apologize if you've answered about this particular passage in your previous threads.

I believe Kurieuo's done a fine job explaining John 1, which to me is the most convincing passage concerning Jesus' divinity, and which if you read it honestly can only have one meaning. So keeping John 1 in mind, here's another passage which I'm pretty sure you haven't addressed:

Revelation 1:12-17
12I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,”dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp doubleedged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

The First and the Last, the Son of Man, says he was dead. Was the Father ever dead? Nope. Is anyone but God "the first and the last"? Nope. It takes some pretty far-fetched reasoning NOT to conclude that this is Jesus... For the Father has never died.

And for further verification:
Isaiah 44:6
"This is what the LORD says - Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

So how can two beings (The Living One who was dead, and the LORD Almighty) BOTH claim to be the beginning and the end? Doesn't it stand to reason that there's only ONE beginning and end? If the Lord came first, how can the Living One be the beginning? In my mind, the ONLY reasonable explanation is that Jesus and God are one and the same - just like Jesus says. (John 10:30)

And aside from all that, as Kurieuo also pointed out, I cannot understand how anyone but God Himself has the authority to redeem our sins. All sins are tresspassed against God - how can anyone else forgive those sins? It's the only way that salvation even makes sense...

Now, I'm not commenting on whether a complete understanding of the nature of Jesus is necessary to believe and be saved. I don't think it is, because almost no one will ever understand the Bible completely. What I think is paramount is whether you deny the truth that the Lord has revealed in your heart - and no one is ever in a position to judge that in another person.

[Fortigurn]

Eternality as mentioned for one.

I don't know what you mean by 'eternality', precisely, but if you mean 'has existed from all time, and will exist from all time', I've pointed out that this is not said of Christ.

Here's where I think you've gone wrong. I've posted much of this before here: http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... word#13988

To be clear, we are endeavouring to establish whether Christ is said to be "eternal", an attribute that by definition establishes Jesus as God.

John 8:58
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

Is that enough to establish that it is said of Christ, he "has existed from all time?" To me, and hopefully to our other readers it is. I apologize if you've answered about this particular passage in your previous threads.

I have in fact posted a link (here), which contains an answer to this.

I believe Kurieuo's done a fine job explaining John 1, which to me is the most convincing passage concerning Jesus' divinity, and which if you read it honestly can only have one meaning.

If it actually spoke of Christ as Divine, I would agree with you.

So keeping John 1 in mind, here's another passage which I'm pretty sure you haven't addressed:

Revelation 1:12-17
12I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,”dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp doubleedged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

The First and the Last, the Son of Man, says he was dead. Was the Father ever dead? Nope. Is anyone but God "the first and the last"? Nope. It takes some pretty far-fetched reasoning NOT to conclude that this is Jesus... For the Father has never died.

I dealt with this in a previous post.

And for further verification:
Isaiah 44:6
"This is what the LORD says - Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

So how can two beings (The Living One who was dead, and the LORD Almighty) BOTH claim to be the beginning and the end? Doesn't it stand to reason that there's only ONE beginning and end? If the Lord came first, how can the Living One be the beginning? In my mind, the ONLY reasonable explanation is that Jesus and God are one and the same - just like Jesus says. (John 10:30)

I dealt with this in a previous post.

And aside from all that, as Kurieuo also pointed out, I cannot understand how anyone but God Himself has the authority to redeem our sins. All sins are tresspassed against God - how can anyone else forgive those sins? It's the only way that salvation even makes sense...

I dealt with this in a previous post.


You guys aren't really interested in reading anything which disagrees with you, are you? So even if I were allowed to debate the trinity here, it would be a complete waste of time. I have taken the time to answer every single one of your arguments (some of them several times - because they were asked more than once, because people didn't realise I had already answered them, becuase they didn't bother reading my posts), and in return I have received nothing.

Now, I'm not commenting on whether a complete understanding of the nature of Jesus is necessary to believe and be saved.

Fortunately, people like Byblos have that knowledge, and have explained my situation to me - I'm a 'cultist' and a non-Christian.

No doubt I will burn in the flames of hell for the entertainment of the righteous.

[Byblos]

You guys aren't really interested in reading anything which disagrees with you, are you? So even if I were allowed to debate the trinity here, it would be a complete waste of time. I have taken the time to answer every single one of your arguments (some of them several times - because they were asked more than once, because people didn't realise I had already answered them, becuase they didn't bother reading my posts), and in return I have received nothing.

I did read your posts and was not convinced of your interpretations. No one said you were not allowed to present your opinions and your beliefs but I personally had a problem with the way you presented them as incontrovertable facts with no room for any other alternative interpretations.

Now, I'm not commenting on whether a complete understanding of the nature of Jesus is necessary to believe and be saved.

Fortunately, people like Byblos have that knowledge, and have explained my situation to me - I'm a 'cultist' and a non-Christian.

No doubt I will burn in the flames of hell for the entertainment of the righteous.

You are a cultist insomuch as your beliefs contradict mainstream christianity. If you consider yourself Christian that is certainly your prerogative but others may not see you as such given your differing views.

As for you burning in the flames of hell, I really do hope you meant that as a joke as I did not see anywhere anyone saying anything remotely resembling that, especially when you do not believe in hell to begin with. Regardless, if in any way I made you feel that way then please do accept my apology. We all have our ways of believing, ultimately it is up to God to sort it out.

[Jbuza]

John 10:30-33 “I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

John 14:20 - At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 5:17-18 Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Philippians 2:5-6 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.

John 17:5 [Jesus prayed] And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Revelation 1:8, 17-18 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” ... [17] When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Revelation 22:12-13, 16 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.... [16] “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”—which means, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 20:27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Titus 1:3-4 And at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior. To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

Mark 2:5, 7 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” ... [7] “Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true — even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Titus 2:13 ...while we wait for the blessed hope — the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours

Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

The work of collecting these evidences for The Deity of Jesus was done by Pastor Jim Feeney

[Jbuza]

Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

John 9:35 Dost thou believe on the Son of God? Who is he, that I might believe on him?

Acts 20:21 Testifying repentance toward God, and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him

John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all . . . by the name of Jesus Christ . . . Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Romans 10:9,10 - That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Acts 2:38 - Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

JOHN 6:40 “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

JOHN 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

JOHN 6:53-54 “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

JOHN 17:3 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.”

[Jbuza]

Matthew 28:19 All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

2 Corinthians 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all

1 Peter 1:1-2 To God's elect. . .who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood

Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 6:11 - And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Galatians 4:6 - And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

1 Thessalonians 1:3-5 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost

Titus 3:4-6 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour

To further buttress this argument, there are several places in the Bible in which the doctrine of the Trinity is clearly implied. For example, concerning *Christ's Resurrection* we are told that the Father raised Jesus from the dead (I Thess. 1:10), the Son raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-22), and the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Rom 8:11). Yet, we are told in Acts 17:30,31 that *God raised Jesus from the dead*. Therefore, either the Bible contradicts itself or the three persons are the one God.
http://answering-islam.org/Trinity/beckwith.html

[Felgar]

I have in fact posted a link (here), which contains an answer to this.

That link takes me to an entire forum? Am I to read everything posted on it to get an answer on this verse?

You guys aren't really interested in reading anything which disagrees with you, are you? So even if I were allowed to debate the trinity here, it would be a complete waste of time. I have taken the time to answer every single one of your arguments (some of them several times - because they were asked more than once, because people didn't realise I had already answered them, becuase they didn't bother reading my posts), and in return I have received nothing.

I scanned your previous posts (in this thread right?) but didn't see mention of those verses. I can understand your frustration - my apologies.

At some point I will certainly find the time to go through all your responses very carefully. I encourage you to do the same also. I do get the feeling that your responses are regurgitated rather than the result of sincere and original thought. All we're asking is that you take an honest look at what's been posted here; we feel that there is overwhelming evidence about Jesus' nature and an understanding of such is a very important part of our relationship with Him.

I am comfortable with leaving it at that.

[Fortigurn]

I have in fact posted a link (here), which contains an answer to this.

That link takes me to an entire forum? Am I to read everything posted on it to get an answer on this verse?

No, you will find your answers in two clicks. That forum is divided up into three sections for your convenience - passages in the Old Testament, passages in the New Testament, and historical issues.

I scanned your previous posts (in this thread right?) but didn't see mention of those verses. I can understand your frustration - my apologies.

I did in fact answer them, yes.

At some point I will certainly find the time to go through all your responses very carefully. I encourage you to do the same also. I do get the feeling that your responses are regurgitated rather than the result of sincere and original thought.

I find that ironic, since I have posted my own words, the result of my own personal study (or my brother's work, which I have read and critiqued), whereas other people have simply given straight copy/pastes of work which is not their own. Who is really doing the regurgitation?

All we're asking is that you take an honest look at what's been posted here; we feel that there is overwhelming evidence about Jesus' nature and an understanding of such is a very important part of our relationship with Him.

I understand that. All I am asking is that you comprehend that after a solid 16 years or so of discussing the trinity, I have in fact seen all the verses, heard all the arguments, and am not convinced. If you have a new argument, or a new passage, I'd like to see it.

[Fortigurn]

You guys aren't really interested in reading anything which disagrees with you, are you? So even if I were allowed to debate the trinity here, it would be a complete waste of time. I have taken the time to answer every single one of your arguments (some of them several times - because they were asked more than once, because people didn't realise I had already answered them, becuase they didn't bother reading my posts), and in return I have received nothing.

I did read your posts and was not convinced of your interpretations.

Really? In that case, you could at least have given reasons why you weren't convinced.

By the way, I am interested in exactly why you disagreed with me on:

* The definition of the Hebrew word 'echad'
* The definition of the Hebrew word 'elohim'
* The interpretation of the Jewish pesach meal
* The textual issue of 1 John 5:7

You see, the arguments I gave regarding these issues are all verifiable historical or lexical facts. If you really read my answers on these issues, and you weren't 'convinced by my interpretation', then you must have read my answers incorrectly, because none of these are interpretative issues - they are lexical issues, textual issues, or historical issues.

If you really read my answers on these issues, I'll be very interested to see why you are prepared to disagree with established orthoodox scholarship. I suggest you don't go there.

No one said you were not allowed to present your opinions and your beliefs but I personally had a problem with the way you presented them as incontrovertable facts with no room for any other alternative interpretations.

Oh, as opposed to the way you guys have presented your argument? Five pages of quotes and arguments from someone else's website, posted with a 'Done and dusted' attitude? At least I'm prepared to discuss my arguments.

You are a cultist insomuch as your beliefs contradict mainstream christianity.

No, I am a non-mainstream sectarian. The word 'cultist' is merely polemic - it's a word falsely applied to non-trinitarian Christians in order to invoke in the minds of others an image of cults and cultism. It's called well poisoning.

People who use this term redefine the English word 'cult', and apply it to the people they disagree with because it makes uninformed observers think of Charles Manson and Jim Jones. It's a scare tactic, nothing more.

It would be like me redefining the term 'serial killer' as 'someone who believes in the trinity', and referring to trinitarians as 'serial killers' every time I spoke of them.

Fortunately I have found this tactic reserved almost entirely within the US.

If you consider yourself Christian that is certainly your prerogative but others may not see you as such given your differing views.

Thanks, but this is not news to me.

As for you burning in the flames of hell, I really do hope you meant that as a joke as I did not see anywhere anyone saying anything remotely resembling that, especially when you do not believe in hell to begin with.

It was tongue in cheek, but I have been informed confidently by more than one trinitarian that I'm going to burn in hell.

Regardless, if in any way I made you feel that way then please do accept my apology. We all have our ways of believing, ultimately it is up to God to sort it out.

No you didn't make me feel that way, but thanks for checking. All I ask is that you actually read my posts.

[Fortigurn]

John 10:30-33 “I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

John 14:20 - At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 5:17-18 Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Philippians 2:5-6 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.

John 17:5 [Jesus prayed] And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Revelation 1:8, 17-18 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” ... [17] When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Revelation 22:12-13, 16 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.... [16] “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”—which means, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 20:27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Titus 1:3-4 And at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior. To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

Mark 2:5, 7 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” ... [7] “Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true — even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Titus 2:13 ...while we wait for the blessed hope — the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours

Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

The work of collecting these evidences for The Deity of Jesus was done by Pastor Jim Feeney

I have addressed most of these passages in previous posts in this very thread. Please read my posts. I object to these huge copy/pastes of other people's work without any indication of personal thought, and without any indication that my own posts have been read.

Any which I have not deat with specifically in this thread, are dealt with here.

Please let me know if there's a passage which isn't dealt with there.