Is Atheism a Belief System?
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
Good find Nessa.
But instead of dealing with the link, I think I'll take my ball and go home.
But instead of dealing with the link, I think I'll take my ball and go home.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
Thanks for the article. It was written by Andy Bannister. I have his recent book, 'The Atheist Who Didn't Exist: Or The Dreadful Consequences of Bad Arguments'. I really liked the book and it is funny.
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If Christianity is a man-made religion, then why is its doctrine vehemently against all of man's desires?
Every one that is of the truth hears my voice. Jesus from John 18:37
If Christianity is a man-made religion, then why is its doctrine vehemently against all of man's desires?
Every one that is of the truth hears my voice. Jesus from John 18:37
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.
His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.
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"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
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If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?Kenny wrote:I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.
His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.Nessa wrote:If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?Kenny wrote:I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.
His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.
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"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?Kenny wrote:Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.Nessa wrote:If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?Kenny wrote:I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.
His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.Nessa wrote:So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?Kenny wrote:Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.Nessa wrote:If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?Kenny wrote:I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.
His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.
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RickD wrote
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?Kenny wrote:Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.Nessa wrote:So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?Kenny wrote:Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.Nessa wrote:If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?Kenny wrote:
I didn’t have the patience to go through the entire link, but I did get through the first section thus I will comment on the part I read.
His friend that claims Sweden doesn’t exist is making a claim. If he is trying to convince someone other than himself of this claim he needs to provide evidence to support his claim, because the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
The same could be said of an Atheist; if he goes around telling people God does not exist, he is making a claim thus if he expects to convince someone else, he needs to provide evidence to support his claim.
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
Believe it or not; I know very little about Dawkins, or other (so called) prominent Atheists. I suspect most christians know much more about him than I because for me he is a non issue. I can't comment on what he might believe or say, but I would say it is probably possible for someone to make atheism a belief system.Nessa wrote:So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?Kenny wrote:Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.Nessa wrote:So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?Kenny wrote:Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.Nessa wrote:
If someone makes a claim does that mean they have a belief?
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"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
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So you dont think atheism is necessarily a belief system though it's possible for someone to make it one?Kenny wrote:Believe it or not; I know very little about Dawkins, or other (so called) prominent Atheists. I suspect most christians know much more about him than I because for me he is a non issue. I can't comment on what he might believe or say, but I would say it is probably possible for someone to make atheism a belief system.Nessa wrote:So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?Kenny wrote:Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.Nessa wrote:So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?Kenny wrote:
Obviously he is going to believe what he is claiming; so yes.
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Would you say you had a belief system about God?
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
Not sure if my opinion on issues (beliefs) could be considered a "belief system" but if is it; it definitely doesn't involve GodNessa wrote:So you dont think atheism is necessarily a belief system though it's possible for someone to make it one?Kenny wrote:Believe it or not; I know very little about Dawkins, or other (so called) prominent Atheists. I suspect most christians know much more about him than I because for me he is a non issue. I can't comment on what he might believe or say, but I would say it is probably possible for someone to make atheism a belief system.Nessa wrote:So would you say, Dawkins, for instance who makes many claims about God, has a belief system?Kenny wrote:Everybody has a belief about one issue or another, but yes; when an atheist makes a claim about God, that is a belief.Nessa wrote:
So when an atheist makes any sort of claim about God, then would you say an atheist has a belief?
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Would you say you had a belief system about God?
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"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
I didn't read the link because I don't need to. Here is the answer to the question in the title:
A: For a few atheists, their atheism is built around beliefs. Many of these beliefs are grounded in pseudoscience and fueled by anger, vanity or other negative emotions. That's why many of the atheists who post on forums seem angry and use vulgar language. You'll also find they had various serious difficulties while growing up.
Most atheists just don't think about why they are atheists and these will share in the foolish beliefs of society at large. Karma comes immediately to mind for some reason...
A: For a few atheists, their atheism is built around beliefs. Many of these beliefs are grounded in pseudoscience and fueled by anger, vanity or other negative emotions. That's why many of the atheists who post on forums seem angry and use vulgar language. You'll also find they had various serious difficulties while growing up.
Most atheists just don't think about why they are atheists and these will share in the foolish beliefs of society at large. Karma comes immediately to mind for some reason...
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Re: Is Atheism a Belief System?
Nessa, who are you talking to in your posts?
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KennyKurieuo wrote:Nessa, who are you talking to in your posts?