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Hortator wrote:It's not just end of the day fatigue, I am also really fatigued by Trump at this point. Otherwise I'd give better analysis
I'm with you there. Trump is exhausting.
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You kidding? Did you hear his speach yesterday where he exposed Hillary? She is bought off and paid for by foreign governments,she is their puppet and will do what they want her to do.not what is best for America. Trump cannot be bought off and is beholden to noone and the last thing we need and want is another experienced politician bought off and paid for to do what they want you to do. Trump use to buy off politicians in both parties and so he knows how the game is played and they do what they want you to do,not what is best for America.This is the election season and this is the time to pay attention especially when the media is twisting the facts to help Hillary.I can't wait until the debates because the media will not be able to shield and protect Hillary like they do. Of course I do expect another Carla Crowley set-up,like with Megyn Kelly in the debates,but Trump will prevail just like he did before.
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I didn't watch the speech, but I've seen the highlights. He rehashed a bunch of rumors and scandals, then filled the rest of his time with a blend of speculation, exaggeration, conspiracy theories, and outright lies. Same old Trump, really.

The guy is a narcissistic, insecure, childish, reckless, ignorant windbag. Most of his promises are stupid and/or dangerous, and he doesn't even seem to be a good businessman. He started out with an inheritance of more than $250 million and still managed to go bankrupt how many times? All he needed to do to become a billionaire was hire a competent money manager and stay out of the way.

Sorry, ACB, but your guy is a tool.
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You could tell me Hillary eats cats at this point and it wouldn't shock me.

I wonder if the rest of my age group is this cynical about politics after the last 16 years?
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Hortator wrote:You could tell me Hillary eats cats at this point and it wouldn't shock me.
Nothing I ever hear about Hillary is shocking. Fox News, the AM radio clowns, and the Republicans in general have been doing everything in their power to defame her character ever since she showed signs of political prominence. Some of it is true, but a lot of it is manufactured partisan-political garbage. When powerful, influential people crap on your name, record, and character day in and day out for 15+ years some of it is bound to stick, but she's nowhere close to the monster that some claim she is.

I challenge you to name anyone else in American politics who's been scrutinized as closely and for as long as Hillary Clinton.
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edwardmurphy wrote:I didn't watch the speech, but I've seen the highlights. He rehashed a bunch of rumors and scandals, then filled the rest of his time with a blend of speculation, exaggeration, conspiracy theories, and outright lies. Same old Trump, really.

The guy is a narcissistic, insecure, childish, reckless, ignorant windbag. Most of his promises are stupid and/or dangerous, and he doesn't even seem to be a good businessman. He started out with an inheritance of more than $250 million and still managed to go bankrupt how many times? All he needed to do to become a billionaire was hire a competent money manager and stay out of the way.

Sorry, ACB, but your guy is a tool.
There is nothing that Trump wants to do that would hurt or harm America and they would be good for America.What is so bad about putting America first in business deals with other countries? America loses on every deal we make with other countries. This is because politicians don't know how to negotiate and so the other country gets the better deal. There is nothing at all wrong with America lowering its corporate tax rate below China's so that America can compete with them. Plus they already owe America billions of dollars and its pretty much the same with every country America trades with.,they all run trade deficits while America gets the shaft.

These are not threats to other countries either. It is just putting America first in these business deals. What is not right is to keep allowing these countries to keep allowing them to get the better business deal. They make a killing off of the US while America suffers. Also there is absolutely no reason anybody should want an experienced politician for President because they have got America into the mess we are in. America needs to be ran as a business instead.

Also Trump is not new,he has been in the media for 40 years and everybody knows he is a successful business man and it did not suddenly change just because he's running for President. This is why these kinds of attacks trying to paint Trump as a failure as a business man do not work. The Republicans tried the same thing and it did not work and it won't work for Hillary either.

Also there is nothing wrong at all with Trump's attitude because he only hits back after being attacked first. This is something the media continues to overlook. They only report what Trump said without context and without showing that these people attacked Trump first from John McCain,to Rosie O'Donnell,etc they all said mean things about Trump first and he responded to their attack. This is what we on the right have been wanting to see.somebody who stands up for themselves and fights back.

You're just use to wimpy Republicans that just take it,Trump does'nt. You're also used to political correctness being used to shut up Republicans and it does not work on Trump. This is a big reason Trump is so popular because he is not politically correct like everybody is used to. This is a breath of fresh air in politics to be able to speak the truth about real problems effecting America and not be shut down about it because you'll offend minorities. This is bunk that Trump is proving wrong.
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This latest speech by Trump is the best one I've heard. My husband thinks he's the Greatest and I've been putting up with his speeches -- the lesser of two evils. But he actually sounded Good the other day. We still have 5 months before elections -- <sigh>
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crochet1949 wrote:This latest speech by Trump is the best one I've heard. My husband thinks he's the Greatest and I've been putting up with his speeches -- the lesser of two evils. But he actually sounded Good the other day. We still have 5 months before elections -- <sigh>
I thought the speech he gave to the Israel group during the Primaries was his best speech,but this latest speech was good too because he went after Hillary and exposed her. Countries like Saudi Arabia who treat women horribly have given millions of dollars to her,these countries treat women horrible,hang gay people and yet she is taking their money while acting like she is all for women and gay people in this election.She should give it back and say until you treat women and gays better I don't want your money.
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abelcainsbrother wrote:There is nothing that Trump wants to do that would hurt or harm America and they would be good for America.What is so bad about putting America first in business deals with other countries? America loses on every deal we make with other countries. This is because politicians don't know how to negotiate and so the other country gets the better deal. There is nothing at all wrong with America lowering its corporate tax rate below China's so that America can compete with them. Plus they already owe America billions of dollars and its pretty much the same with every country America trades with.,they all run trade deficits while America gets the shaft.
First off, you're mindlessly repeating Trump's talking points, all of which have been addressed here and elsewhere already.

Anyway, he wants to abandon NATO, bully Mexico into building a gigantic, pointless wall, start a trade war with China, and use our long-term alliances around the world as leverage to demand cash payments. All of those things would hurt our international prestige, our economy, and/or our national security.
abelcainsbrother wrote:These are not threats to other countries either. It is just putting America first in these business deals. What is not right is to keep allowing these countries to keep allowing them to get the better business deal. They make a killing off of the US while America suffers. Also there is absolutely no reason anybody should want an experienced politician for President because they have got America into the mess we are in. America needs to be ran as a business instead.
You're still mindlessly repeating Trump's talking points, all of which have been addressed here and elsewhere already.

Our alliances with Japan and South Korea, for example, are more than just business deals. By stationing troops in those places we provide a buffer to potential Chinese expansion, which makes the region safer and more stable. That's good for the global economy (which we're a big part of). It's also not in our national interest to allow China to become the dominant power in the region.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Also Trump is not new,he has been in the media for 40 years and everybody knows he is a successful business man and it did not suddenly change just because he's running for President. This is why these kinds of attacks trying to paint Trump as a failure as a business man do not work. The Republicans tried the same thing and it did not work and it won't work for Hillary either.
If you start out with a quarter of a billion dollars, no debt, a world class education, and plenty of useful connections you'd have to be a complete moron not to be successful, but somehow he's still managed to screw it up several times. Sure, he's clawed his way back, and that's kind of impressive, but if he was the business genius he claims to be then why did he lose it all in the first place? Or the second place? Or the third place?

I wouldn't call Trump a failure, but his long history of booms and busts is alarming.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Also there is nothing wrong at all with Trump's attitude because he only hits back after being attacked first. This is something the media continues to overlook. They only report what Trump said without context and without showing that these people attacked Trump first from John McCain,to Rosie O'Donnell,etc they all said mean things about Trump first and he responded to their attack. This is what we on the right have been wanting to see.somebody who stands up for themselves and fights back.
Hey, you're repeating Trump's talking points again. Super.

Let's assume that you're right that Trump only ever defends himself and that the Republicans are all candyasses who never stand up for themselves. You're not right about either of those things, but whatever, we're assuming here...

Whether or not you started it isn't necessarily as important as how you respond. When you quote the National Enquirer as a source, or repeat some conspiracy theory you read on the Internet, or make racist, sexist, or degrading comments about people it makes you look like a crude, immature, ignorant, muckraking *******. The President of the United States isn't supposed to be a crude, immature, ignorant, muckraking *******.
abelcainsbrother wrote:You're just use to wimpy Republicans that just take it,Trump does'nt. You're also used to political correctness being used to shut up Republicans and it does not work on Trump. This is a big reason Trump is so popular because he is not politically correct like everybody is used to. This is a breath of fresh air in politics to be able to speak the truth about real problems effecting America and not be shut down about it because you'll offend minorities. This is bunk that Trump is proving wrong.
I'm actually used to the Republicans being shamelessly obstructionist and obstinate about everything. The only people they bow and scrape for are lobbyists. This crap about how the Republicans just knuckle under and let the Democrats get their way on everything is a Trump talking point that you've uncritically swallowed.

As far as being politically correct, you use that one a lot, too, but it just sounds like whining. I realize that social conservatives are being asked to tolerate things that they don't care to tolerate, but then the rest of us have always had to tolerate social conservatives. You don't care to see transgender people walking around? Fair enough. I'd have preferred a college without fire and brimstone preachers yammering on the quad all the time. What can you do, this is America.

Anyway, if the Republicans (other than Trump) are trying not to offend minorities it I think it has more to do with pragmatism than with political correctness. Remember, minorities get to vote, too. If your plan is to bring out the angry white guys by demonizing Latinos and Muslims it's going to cost you their votes. If you also have a tendency to make fun of people for their disabilities and say extremely insulting things about women that's going to cost you more votes.

Trump's problem isn't that he's not politically correct, it's that he has no self-control or self-discipline, and he just blurts out whatever stupid thing pops into his head. It's made worse by the fact that a lot of the people at his rallies want to hear him run his mouth. What Trump and his base seem to forget is that his comments are recorded and televised. People are listening and far more of them see Trump the way I do than see him the way you do. And that, ACB, is why his approval ratings have steadily dropped since he became the presumptive nominee. That's why he's viewed unfavorably by 71% of likely voters. If he could manage to shut the hell up he could have a shot (how I despair for my country), but I don't think he can.

Jon Stewart is right - Trump's a giant man-baby. He's too thin-skinned to let anything go and he's too crude and immature to respond to an insult with intelligence and maturity.
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abelcainsbrother wrote:There is nothing that Trump wants to do that would hurt or harm America and they would be good for America.What is so bad about putting America first in business deals with other countries? America loses on every deal we make with other countries. This is because politicians don't know how to negotiate and so the other country gets the better deal. There is nothing at all wrong with America lowering its corporate tax rate below China's so that America can compete with them. Plus they already owe America billions of dollars and its pretty much the same with every country America trades with.,they all run trade deficits while America gets the shaft.
First off, you're mindlessly repeating Trump's talking points, all of which have been addressed here and elsewhere already.

Anyway, he wants to abandon NATO, bully Mexico into building a gigantic, pointless wall, start a trade war with China, and use our long-term alliances around the world as leverage to demand cash payments. All of those things would hurt our international prestige, our economy, and/or our national security.
abelcainsbrother wrote:These are not threats to other countries either. It is just putting America first in these business deals. What is not right is to keep allowing these countries to keep allowing them to get the better business deal. They make a killing off of the US while America suffers. Also there is absolutely no reason anybody should want an experienced politician for President because they have got America into the mess we are in. America needs to be ran as a business instead.
You're still mindlessly repeating Trump's talking points, all of which have been addressed here and elsewhere already.

Our alliances with Japan and South Korea, for example, are more than just business deals. By stationing troops in those places we provide a buffer to potential Chinese expansion, which makes the region safer and more stable. That's good for the global economy (which we're a big part of). It's also not in our national interest to allow China to become the dominant power in the region.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Also Trump is not new,he has been in the media for 40 years and everybody knows he is a successful business man and it did not suddenly change just because he's running for President. This is why these kinds of attacks trying to paint Trump as a failure as a business man do not work. The Republicans tried the same thing and it did not work and it won't work for Hillary either.
If you start out with a quarter of a billion dollars, no debt, a world class education, and plenty of useful connections you'd have to be a complete moron not to be successful, but somehow he's still managed to screw it up several times. Sure, he's clawed his way back, and that's kind of impressive, but if he was the business genius he claims to be then why did he lose it all in the first place? Or the second place? Or the third place?

I wouldn't call Trump a failure, but his long history of booms and busts is alarming.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Also there is nothing wrong at all with Trump's attitude because he only hits back after being attacked first. This is something the media continues to overlook. They only report what Trump said without context and without showing that these people attacked Trump first from John McCain,to Rosie O'Donnell,etc they all said mean things about Trump first and he responded to their attack. This is what we on the right have been wanting to see.somebody who stands up for themselves and fights back.
Hey, you're repeating Trump's talking points again. Super.

Let's assume that you're right that Trump only ever defends himself and that the Republicans are all candyasses who never stand up for themselves. You're not right about either of those things, but whatever, we're assuming here...

Whether or not you started it isn't necessarily as important as how you respond. When you quote the National Enquirer as a source, or repeat some conspiracy theory you read on the Internet, or make racist, sexist, or degrading comments about people it makes you look like a crude, immature, ignorant, muckraking *******. The President of the United States isn't supposed to be a crude, immature, ignorant, muckraking *******.
abelcainsbrother wrote:You're just use to wimpy Republicans that just take it,Trump does'nt. You're also used to political correctness being used to shut up Republicans and it does not work on Trump. This is a big reason Trump is so popular because he is not politically correct like everybody is used to. This is a breath of fresh air in politics to be able to speak the truth about real problems effecting America and not be shut down about it because you'll offend minorities. This is bunk that Trump is proving wrong.
I'm actually used to the Republicans being shamelessly obstructionist and obstinate about everything. The only people they bow and scrape for are lobbyists. This crap about how the Republicans just knuckle under and let the Democrats get their way on everything is a Trump talking point that you've uncritically swallowed.

As far as being politically correct, you use that one a lot, too, but it just sounds like whining. I realize that social conservatives are being asked to tolerate things that they don't care to tolerate, but then the rest of us have always had to tolerate social conservatives. You don't care to see transgender people walking around? Fair enough. I'd have preferred a college without fire and brimstone preachers yammering on the quad all the time. What can you do, this is America.

Anyway, if the Republicans (other than Trump) are trying not to offend minorities it I think it has more to do with pragmatism than with political correctness. Remember, minorities get to vote, too. If your plan is to bring out the angry white guys by demonizing Latinos and Muslims it's going to cost you their votes. If you also have a tendency to make fun of people for their disabilities and say extremely insulting things about women that's going to cost you more votes.

Trump's problem isn't that he's not politically correct, it's that he has no self-control or self-discipline, and he just blurts out whatever stupid thing pops into his head. It's made worse by the fact that a lot of the people at his rallies want to hear him run his mouth. What Trump and his base seem to forget is that his comments are recorded and televised. People are listening and far more of them see Trump the way I do than see him the way you do. And that, ACB, is why his approval ratings have steadily dropped since he became the presumptive nominee. That's why he's viewed unfavorably by 71% of likely voters. If he could manage to shut the hell up he could have a shot (how I despair for my country), but I don't think he can.

Jon Stewart is right - Trump's a giant man-baby. He's too thin-skinned to let anything go and he's too crude and immature to respond to an insult with intelligence and maturity.

You're more worried about other countries than America for some reason and this is why you like the idea of other countries taking advantage of America and you want to keep on allowing it to happen. But the majority of America do not care as much about other countries as much as America.We are tired of seeing America taken advantage of and its going to stop.

If you're so against China you should like Trump,not that he will start a war with them but they are not going to be able to continue to run trade deficits with America and keep on making money off of America. Them taking advantage of America is going to stop.You have a global one world government perspective and you've put America last.Trump is putting America first which is what President's are supposed to do,but haven't,in a long time.

Trying to make Trump out to be a lousy business man like you are implying won't work.

Yes,you're used to wimpy Republicans which is why conservatives have got nothing conservative,not one thing to show.Name one thing conservatives have beat the Democrats on and have gained when it comes to social,economic,etc,you can't and you're used to it which is why you don't like Trump. Trump has said nothing at all that is racist,sexist or over the top. It is not racist to talk about illegal immigration and talk about and lay out an agenda to fix the problem and it is not sexist to attack females back after they attack you first. You're just politically correct and you're trying to use it to shut down talk about fixing illegal immigration and having LEGAL immigration.This has always been about legal immigration.Trump has made that clear,over and over. There is nothing racist or anti immigration about Trump. It is only when it comes to Muslim immigration where we need to see temporary ban until we can figure out why we see Islamic terrorist attacks everywhere Muslims live in the world and coming up with a way to properly vet Muslims. It is not racist at all. It is smart to keep Islamic terrorists out.

Minorities are voting for Trump this is something the liberal media and you are ignoring. America muslims are voting for Trump. Farrakhan agrees with Trump. It is assumed they vote Democrat but they are voting for Trump. His approval numbers have not dropped. He is running close in this and has spent nickels compared to Hillary. If you want to believe these biased polls? Go ahead but you're only going to be heart broken in the end. The polls always show Democrats winning and they are wrong so many times. The media is doing its best to try to use these polls and their influence to get Trump to change his ways,but it is they who need to change. Plus the media is trying to help Hillary.
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abelcainsbrother wrote:...It is only when it comes to Muslim immigration where we need to see temporary ban until we can figure out why we see Islamic terrorist attacks everywhere Muslims live in the world and coming up with a way to properly vet Muslims. It is not racist at all. It is smart to keep Islamic terrorists out...
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If I decide to vote for the republican ticket in this election, do I have to say I voted for Trump?

I really, really, don't like the idea of lying Hitlery being president. So I may hold my nose, stick my fingers in my ears, and vote republican. But I can't stomach the thought of voting for Trump.
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What, specifically, is it that you guys hate so much about Clinton? Specifically.
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edwardmurphy wrote:What, specifically, is it that you guys hate so much about Clinton? Specifically.
I only speak for myself, but I don't hate the woman. If you mean a watershed moment or the straw that broke the camels back, I can't specifically point to one that made me distrust her for higher office.

Probably not very helpful answer :sleep:
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edwardmurphy wrote:What, specifically, is it that you guys hate so much about Clinton? Specifically.
Even if I ignored all of her corruption I'm just tired of politicians. I don't like politicians and I think a business man like Trump will be much better than normal politicians. Politicians have done great harm to America for political power. I've thought for along time,even before Trump that America could be ran better by a normal American over a politician any day and Trump is the closest we can get to a normal American because both parties are set up to make it impossible for a normal American to be President,plus they don't have enough money to compete,but Trump is rich and can win and since he is rich he cannot be bought off like politicians are. He will do what he ran on because he sees what politicians have done and wants to fix it.
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