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RickD wrote:
Jac3510 wrote:
Trump will win. It'll have nothing to do with polls being wrong.

edwardmurphy wrote:
I'm hopeful that in the end we'll be smarter than that. We'll see.
Ed,

By "smarter than that", I hope you don't equate being smarter, with electing Lying Hitlery. :shock:
Well, believe it or not, I do... :P

I do not think it's smart to elect someone who lies more frequently than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who is more fascist than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who is more crooked than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who totally lacks the fundamental morality, the understanding of key issues, and the temperament required to be the leader of the free world.

I am a Conservative, and I agree with George Will on this one. The Party of Trump is no longer the Party of Lincoln and Reagan.
And no, the left wing media has nothing to do with my views.

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Well, the Cruz/Bush revitalization efforts have gone to court none too soon, to meet the July 21st deadline.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06 ... trump.html

You know somebody is serious when they take it to court.

The courts, which were always in the past seen as temples of reason, have been reconverted to be the answer to every political issue, much to the chagrin and resentment of those who practice law. I believe the politicization process of courts began with Bork being "Bork'd" by a couple of scumbags on the hill (really sad story, if you don't know about it)
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Re: Rise from the Ted? Cruz campaign may be renewed

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DBowling wrote:
RickD wrote:
Jac3510 wrote:
Trump will win. It'll have nothing to do with polls being wrong.

edwardmurphy wrote:
I'm hopeful that in the end we'll be smarter than that. We'll see.
Ed,

By "smarter than that", I hope you don't equate being smarter, with electing Lying Hitlery. :shock:
Well, believe it or not, I do... :P

I do not think it's smart to elect someone who lies more frequently than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who is more fascist than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who is more crooked than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who totally lacks the fundamental morality, the understanding of key issues, and the temperament required to be the leader of the free world.

I am a Conservative, and I agree with George Will on this one. The Party of Trump is no longer the Party of Lincoln and Reagan.
And no, the left wing media has nothing to do with my views.

My .02
Mr. Bowling,

Look at this logically, from a conservative's pov. We know what we'll get if Hillary is president. More of the same that we've had the last 8 years. She'll nominate liberal SC justices. She'll continue with the obamacare failure, etc.

And then look at the up side from trump. If he does any of the things he says, he will be an infinitely better president than Hitlery.

And if he does most of what he says, he may end up being a great president. Despite all his negatives.
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RickD wrote:And then look at the up side from trump. If he does any of the things he says, he will be an infinitely better president than Hitlery.

And if he does most of what he says, he may end up being a great president. Despite all his negatives.
Calling her "Hitlery" is ridiculously hyperbolic. Obama and Clinton aren't fascist in any way. If you want to make comparisons with Hitler then the Donald is a much better option. He's the one pushing a xenophobic, nationalist, racist agenda. Clinton is a pretty typical American centrist, just like Obama.

As far as Trump doing the things he says he will...

The Muslim ban is unconstitutional, lacks the support of either the Democrats or the Republicans in Congress, and is a complete non-starter.

The Wall is a joke. It's pretty much pointless, Mexico will never pay for it, it will never be build.

Starting a trade war with China would be economically disastrous for the world as a whole, but I suppose he might do it anyway. Hopefully he'd consult with someone other than himself and think better of it.

Using the threat of abandoning the Pacific to China to extort cash from Japan and South Korea is the kind of thing that the short-sighted dictator of a rogue state might do. Hopefully he'd think better of it. If not then he'd destabilize the world for a quick buck.

I suppose that backing out of our free trade agreements and putting tariffs on foreign imports might help American companies that do most business within the US, but it would also cripple American companies involved in international business while simultaneously raising the price on consumer goods in the US. Seems like that would cause a recession, cost Trump a second term, and give the White House to either a Democrat or a real Republican, either of whom would look to reestablish the free trade agreements. No upside there...

Lowering corporate taxes? That might help a bit, but the fact is most of the jobs that went to China, India, and so forth aren't coming back.

Did I miss any?
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DBowling wrote:
RickD wrote:
Jac3510 wrote:
Trump will win. It'll have nothing to do with polls being wrong.

edwardmurphy wrote:
I'm hopeful that in the end we'll be smarter than that. We'll see.
Ed,

By "smarter than that", I hope you don't equate being smarter, with electing Lying Hitlery. :shock:
Well, believe it or not, I do... :P

I do not think it's smart to elect someone who lies more frequently than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who is more fascist than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who is more crooked than Hillary.
I do not think it is smart to elect someone who totally lacks the fundamental morality, the understanding of key issues, and the temperament required to be the leader of the free world.

I am a Conservative, and I agree with George Will on this one. The Party of Trump is no longer the Party of Lincoln and Reagan.
And no, the left wing media has nothing to do with my views.

My .02
DB that party is already dead and it has been dead. Name one thing politically conservatives have gained. You might like to see the Democrat Party get its way politically on every issue but we are tired of it. Things must change because liberalism is hurting America and the Republican party has done nothing about it.Trump is just not a wimpy Republican you are used to.

Liberals are going to start losing on political issues now with Trump,they are the ones that are gonna experience defeat politically with Trump as President. Because he is a fighter just like liberals are and they are just going to get a taste of their own medicine politically and we true conservatives are going to like to see them lose politically for a change instead of seeing them get their way on every issue. That wimpy Republican party you seem to like is over and we are leaving them in the dust and moving on to better things politically.

Also there is not one thing Trump is running on that is not conservative. Tax cuts? Check,rule of law? Check, Fixing illegal immigration? Check, Being Patriotic and putting America first? Check, having a strong military? Check,not a neo-con? Check,putting Supreme court judges like Scalia on the Supreme Court? Check.What is not conservative about what Trump wants to do?
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edwardmurphy wrote:
RickD wrote:And then look at the up side from trump. If he does any of the things he says, he will be an infinitely better president than Hitlery.

And if he does most of what he says, he may end up being a great president. Despite all his negatives.
Calling her "Hitlery" is ridiculously hyperbolic. Obama and Clinton aren't fascist in any way. If you want to make comparisons with Hitler then the Donald is a much better option. He's the one pushing a xenophobic, nationalist, racist agenda. Clinton is a pretty typical American centrist, just like Obama.

As far as Trump doing the things he says he will...

The Muslim ban is unconstitutional, lacks the support of either the Democrats or the Republicans in Congress, and is a complete non-starter.

The Wall is a joke. It's pretty much pointless, Mexico will never pay for it, it will never be build.

Starting a trade war with China would be economically disastrous for the world as a whole, but I suppose he might do it anyway. Hopefully he'd consult with someone other than himself and think better of it.

Using the threat of abandoning the Pacific to China to extort cash from Japan and South Korea is the kind of thing that the short-sighted dictator of a rogue state might do. Hopefully he'd think better of it. If not then he'd destabilize the world for a quick buck.

I suppose that backing out of our free trade agreements and putting tariffs on foreign imports might help American companies that do most business within the US, but it would also cripple American companies involved in international business while simultaneously raising the price on consumer goods in the US. Seems like that would cause a recession, cost Trump a second term, and give the White House to either a Democrat or a real Republican, either of whom would look to reestablish the free trade agreements. No upside there...

Lowering corporate taxes? That might help a bit, but the fact is most of the jobs that went to China, India, and so forth aren't coming back.

Did I miss any?

You're wrong on every one of your predictions because America has the upper hand in any business negotiation,no matter the country,we just have not been using that advantage.Anything the other countries tried would hurt themselves more than it would America.
Like for example Saudi Arabia is protected by America. We have military bases in their country protecting them and yet when it comes to oil,they manipulate things to help themselves to make billions of dollars,using America to do it,without any respect for America who is blessing them. They are the reason our gas prices were very high a few years ago and it is because of America's blood,sweat and tears they are lower now..If we closed down our military bases or charged them for keeping them safe,they would have to spend their own money for security,but they don't right now.
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Ed,

Since I seem to disagree with you a lot, I'll touch on something we agree on. I also believe banning Muslim immigrants won't work. Although I have different reasons.

From what I understand about what Trump said, he said he wants to ban all Muslim immigrants coming from areas that are known for radical Muslims. First, they'll just go somewhere else first, then enter the US from a different country. Or, they'll just claim they're Christians, not Muslims.

So, if he really thinks that stopping immigrants will help stop terrorists, then the only sure thing would be to stop ALL immigration until the problem is under control. And I really doubt he would do that. So in that instance he's just blowing hot air.
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Here is the reason banning Muslims will work.Former Presidents have done it before.The President has the power to say who comes in and who does'nt which is why Obama is able to allow them in without government oversight,for political purposes he makes it look like there is government over sight,but he has the power as President to not allow them in,he just chooses to allow them to come in. Trump won't temporarily. Just by becoming President he has the power to say no.
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abelcainsbrother wrote:Here is the reason banning Muslims will work.Former Presidents have done it before.The President has the power to say who comes in and who does'nt which is why Obama is able to allow them in without government oversight,but he has the power as President to not allow them in,he just chooses to allow them to come in. Trump won't temporarily. Just by becoming President he has the power to say no.
ACB,

Look at this logically. The reason why Trump supposedly wants to ban Muslim immigrants from coming into the country, is to stop the immigration of radical Muslim terrorists. And the problem with banning ONLY Muslims, is that the radical Muslim terrorists who want to come into the US, will just say they're not Muslim.

They will lie for the sake of jihad. So, banning Muslims is basically useless. Unless Trump thinks that radical Muslim terrorists will all just admit they're terrorists, and stay out of the country.
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RickD wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:Here is the reason banning Muslims will work.Former Presidents have done it before.The President has the power to say who comes in and who does'nt which is why Obama is able to allow them in without government oversight,but he has the power as President to not allow them in,he just chooses to allow them to come in. Trump won't temporarily. Just by becoming President he has the power to say no.
ACB,

Look at this logically. The reason why Trump supposedly wants to ban Muslim immigrants from coming into the country, is to stop the immigration of radical Muslim terrorists. And the problem with banning ONLY Muslims, is that the radical Muslim terrorists who want to come into the US, will just say they're not Muslim.

They will lie for the sake of jihad. So, banning Muslims is basically useless. Unless Trump thinks that radical Muslim terrorists will all just admit they're terrorists, and stay out of the country.

I would say that is happening now. And it might have to come to a permanent ban but we are not there yet. We are right now talking about a temporary ban,I think it depends on how things go and if muslims cooperate with law enforcement. Just imagine if Islamic terrorism increases which is what I think Obama is setting us up for,politicians are known to cause problems to fix. But just imagine if Islamic terrorism increases in America and we find out Muslims knew and did not report it.
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Y'all are having the wrong argument.
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Jac3510 wrote:Y'all are having the wrong argument.
You're right. Back to the topic. Ted Cruz. Jac's buddy. ;)
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Jac3510 wrote:Y'all are having the wrong argument.
I was just trying to think logically like he was trying to get me to do and he might be right,but I think it depends on what happens. He made a good point.
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abelcainsbrother wrote:
Jac3510 wrote:Y'all are having the wrong argument.
I was just trying to think logically like he was trying to get me to do and he might be right,but I think it depends on what happens. He made a good point.
I wanted to say something, like that it was off-topic, but 90% of discussions on here have nothing to do with the OP anyway. We're a chillax site full of chill people, so there are some things we let slide
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Hortator wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:
Jac3510 wrote:Y'all are having the wrong argument.
I was just trying to think logically like he was trying to get me to do and he might be right,but I think it depends on what happens. He made a good point.
I wanted to say something, like that it was off-topic, but 90% of discussions on here have nothing to do with the OP anyway. We're a chillax site full of chill people, so there are some things we let slide
Yeah this thread cerianly got off topic. I think it has become the political thread.But to answer the point you brought up about Cruz/Bush we have known for months the Bush family is working behind the scenes to stop Trump. And in Cleveland at the convention are going to be as many Trump supporters there that can go. It was the "stop the steal rally" but it is just the "solidarity with Tump supporters rally" now. Any protestors will be outnumbered 10 to 1 if things go as planned. There will be Trump supporters there from every state ,probably.

Also Cruz aligning himself with Bush will only prove he was not a true anti-establishment conservative and it will hurt him in future elections when he tries to run as a conservative. It also proves that Cruz is a Bush family clone.
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